Plus Size Bodies, What Is Wrong With Them Anyway?

In the January 2012 issue of PLUS Model Magazine, plus-size model Katya Zharkova is featured in an explosive editorial where thought provoking statistics and statements are revealed.

*Check out all the images here*

– Twenty years ago the average fashion model weighed 8% less than the average woman. Today, she weighs 23% less.

– Ten years ago plus-size models averaged between size 12 and 18. Today the need for size diversity within the plus-size modeling industry continues to be questioned. The majority of plus-size models on agency boards are between a size 6 and 14, while the customers continue to express their dissatisfaction.

– Most runway models meet the Body Mass Index physical criteria for Anorexia.

– 50% of women wear a size 14 or larger, but most standard clothing outlets cater to sizes 14 or smaller.

If we continue to ignore and rely on others to decide what we want to see,  change will never happen. We have to be vocal and proactive, patient and realistic.

Tips on how we can help create change:

– Support the companies who market to you.
– Use social networking sites and email to let brands and designers know how you feel about clothing, options and the use of straight sized models (thin models) to market to you.
– Your dollars count! If you stop buying at “Store A” and let them know you will not be purchasing clothing until they market to you, this will raise concern.
– Use every avenue and opportunity you have available to you for your voice to be heard.
– Indie designers need our support.

The answer to the question is this, there is nothing wrong with our bodies. We are bombarded with weight-loss ads every single day, multiple times a day because it’s a multi-billion dollar industry that preys on the fear of being fat. Not everyone is meant to be skinny, our bodies are beautiful and we are not talking about health here because not every skinny person is healthy.

What we desire is equality to shop and have fashion options just like smaller women. Small women cannot be marketed to with pictures of plus-size women, why are we expected to respond to pictures of small size 6 and 8 women? We don’t!When the plus size modeling industry began, the models ranged in size from 14 to 18/20, and as customers we long for those days when we identify with the models and feel happy about shopping.

 

Are we moving towards that goal? Are you being marketed effectively by the brands who want your dollars?

 

Tell PLUS Model Magazine your thoughts and your comments may be in the next issue.

Don’t forget to check out the entire feature by clicking HERE!

Comments

  1. says

    I’m producing and directing 2 fashion shows tomorrow, January 7th, and have included all sizes of models including two that are sizes 18/20. It’s all about diversity and reality. They’re going to be fab.u.lous!

    Thank you for the information that is so crucial. I will continue to help create change.

  2. H.L. says

    I was at the grocery with my mom yesterday and was scanning through the magazines on display in the checkout line. I came across one with big bold letters “Size 18 to Beauty Queen” promoting an article on who to lose so many pounds in so many days blah blah blah. It immediately struck me as them saying that simply because you’re a size 18 does not make you beautiful. This repulsed me. I can honestly say that I will never allow that magazine in my home.

  3. Tiana Moore says

    I was a size seven 3-4 years ago before I was pregnant with my son. After I had him, I was a size 22. I literally would have to travel an hour away just to find pants that fit me. My son just turn 3, and I managed to get myself down to a size 14. Pretty healthy, and I’m very proud of this accomplishment. I go to many local stores, such as Rue 21, Hot Topic, etc. Around here, a size 10 is the MOST they carry for females. I roam the isles for clothing, only to find most of the Medium sized shirts could probably fit my son as a decent night time shirt… The smalls would fit him! No, this isn’t a joke either. Waistlines in the industry are the real joke. They’re traded healthy bodies for media bodies.

  4. teresa says

    Support the companies who market to you.
    ** that is the key–yet we don’t do it. we will carry a Gucci bag or wear Gucci shoes even though they will not make plus size clothing. we will carry LV bags even though they will not make plus size clothing. we will wear YSL shoes and carry the bags even though they will not make plus size clothing…. IRONIC isn’t it that we want to fit in so badly that we will buy the shoes and bags even though they refuse to make clothes for us?

  5. Johnson says

    There is an obesity epidemic, which I imagine must skew the average upwards a bit.

    As for clothes, I do not find it surprising that certain designers do not want size 16+ in their clothes. Fashion as you would well know is sold both as a product and as an advertisement. On the other hand, when I go clothes shopping with my partner, who is a size 6, we all too often find the case that most clothing is sizes 10-14. Yes there is nothing wrong with being a bit on the large side, but please don’t try to blame it on smaller women or on some conspiracy of the fashion industry.

  6. says

    This article is really informative. Well I am a plus size girl and I must say I am not quite happy with the way some clothing stores advertise the clothes. I mostly shop at a big department store and I really love their junior section, which the Plus size for Juniors in that store is not quite big, and the advertisements for it are mostly thin models. Further more, this said store even have brands that target the plus size girls but they don’t even advertise it. I didn’t even know about these brands that are also for plus size girls until I started digging for clothes >_<. They should have another section just for Junior Plus.

    Also I always wonder why are the plus size clothing so expensive? Why cant it be the same price as the thinner people clothes? It really makes me frown when I see something cute and I go to check the price and its 2 or 4 dollars more than the regular clothes. Them 2 or 4 dollars can be used to buy milk or something that is needed at the house. So, no I don't think I'm being marketed effectively by brands who want my dollar.

  7. says

    Its about time that we voice our opinions to let the world know that we are not here to be invisible, but seen and revered just as much as a skinny women. It is important to know where your money is going and if the companies you support, supports u! Finally support the bloggers that have become the voice of the plus size women in the world. Fighting everyday to break down barriers and change peoples minds about fashion & fatism. If the industry is in need of plus size models than your bloggers should be your first pick. We embrace our beauty and curves and model clothes that we love and support in a real way.

    This was a great question, a great article. Thank you!

  8. says

    This lady is considered plus size? I think she has a beautiful body and I would not consider that plus size. I am all for models being ALL different sizes!

  9. Anastasia Bezrukova says

    I absolutely agree with what you wrote. I am a young entrepreneur currently graduation from University, and am working on my business plan. I want to open a plus size boutique, in Montreal, Canada. My dream is to eventually manufacture and retail high quality plus size clothing and to offer the same shopping experience skinny girls get when shopping at Hugo Boss or BCBG Max Azria. I am shocked and (pleased) to find that there is an enormous gap in this market. What is the business world thinking by ignoring 50% of the population? I hope that one day my dream will come true, and I will make the lives of thousands of women easier and more fashionable with my company. I want to receive as much information as possible from your site so as to gather as many ideas as possible to create the perfect plus size company. (PS: I promise that I will use real, curvy, beautiful plus size models to demonstrate the clothing)

    Cheers,
    A girl with a BIG DREAM,
    Anastasia Bezrukova

  10. Anjera Mari says

    I am a BBW, thick in the hips and thighs. Shopping for clothes is quite a difficult tasks. I agree with this article that there needs to be more representation of the Voluptuous woman. That is why I started modeling, to show people that they can look beautiful in the skin they are in! Because I know I do! Not meant to be cocky, just confident. How can I help independent Plus size designers? Where are they? We need to know you are there, so we can promote you! I appreciate stores like Dots, Torrid and Lane Bryant that cater to the PLUS Size Woman! But, why are most places that sell Plus sizes so expensive? I think the Indie Designers Need to start Shouting “I’m Here” using social networking and Models like myself! Promote, Promote , Promote your line across the country, not just the biggest cities! I think I speak for the Majority when I say We want to Support you! Where you At?

  11. Susan Akers says

    SERIOUSLY! A SIZE 6 IS CONSIDERED PLUS SIZE (and yes I am yelling here) I don’t even know anyone who wears a six that isn’t 6 years old! The people who decide these things are clueless as to what is going on in real life. It’s no wonder so many woman have body issues.

  12. Charlie says

    I thoroughly agree with this message, but I just wanted to point out that if the BMI is generally not considered to be an appropriate tool with which to measure obesity, then neither is it a good tool with which to measure anorexia. Just want to make sure that we’re not fat shaming on either end of the scale here.

  13. says

    The only thing that is going to change things is if we take our hard earned dollars to the retailers that provide realistic fashions that cater to the masses.

  14. says

    I agree with Chyna. I’m always amazed at how plus sized mannequins’ clothes are nipped and tucked until they appear to be a size 8 rather than 18.

  15. K says

    The majority of models’ BMI’s are at the level of people with anorexia?? Well the majority of plus size models’ BMI’s are on the level of obesity, which isn’t healthy EITHER. In addition, stating that the majority of women in the USA are a size 14 or larger does not mean that stores should cater to OBESITY. Being underweight is just as unhealthy as being OVERWEIGHT and more stores garner to smaller sized people because obesity is a rampant problem in the USA. There are more healthy underweight women who are naturally very skinny than there are healthy overweight women who have internal problems from their unhealthy weight. There is a huge eating disorder problem in this country but that does not only apply to anorectics and bulimics, that applies to over eaters and those that suffer from obesity and the average size of a woman in this country should not be size 0 NOR SHOULD IT BE size 14! Educate yourself on what it means to be a size 14 before you write an article condemning stores for not supporting obesity. Jesus.

  16. says

    Isn’t it ridiculous?!? Not only aren’t there very many real-sized models, there seems to be even less places where can shop for nice, fashionable clothes when you’re over a size 14!! I live in northern BC and got to the point where I decided to open my own plus-sized clothing store because I couldn’t find anything nice to wear!! I did a lot of research and couldn’t find a manufacturer, wholesaler etc that carried a line of plus-sized fashion in all of North America……I couldn’t believe it.
    In the end I decided to contact a company in Germany that I personally knew and have happily shopped with in the past. Ulla Popken is one of the few companies that caters EXCLUSIVELY to larger sizes (12 & up only) and have not only amazing quality of materials but fashionable lines for all ages and occasions that fit different body types, too (after all, women are like snowflakes – all different and beautiful). They have stores and franchise partners all over Europe, but I’m proud to say we have opened the first store in North America…in little old Smithers, BC – and the ladies here love it!!! Isn’t it sad though that we have such problems to find or provide great fashion for Plus Sizes?? After all, we are nearly the majority! Hopefully things will change soon and the beauty ideal in general will move away again from unattainable ideals (let’s face it – most models are not only nearly anorexic, but get photoshopped even thinner) that negatively influence the self-image of women and girls!!

  17. Elaine U says

    My time is limited, so I frequently shop online. I am a plus size woman; I will ALWAYS be a plus size woman. My body ranges from a size 18 to a 24, depending on how the clothing item fits the curves of my body the way I want it to. As I shop online, I find it offensive that while I am buying from a business that markets and sells the clothing that is supposed to fit my body, they continue to use the thin models to show me what the clothing is supposed to look like on. Are they trying to trick me into thinking that I will look like the size 8 model in the jeans and boyfriend shirt that falls perfectly to her mid thigh? I KNOW that the shirt won’t fit me that way because I have learned the hard way that I must look at the details of the shirt, because at 5’9″, there is no way a shirt that is 28″ long will EVER reach my mid thigh! All that does is waste my time and inspire me to move on to the next website.
    Sadly, even as I move on, I continue to find that most of the websites that sell plus sizes continue to use small models. They have moved up the model’s size numbers, all the way up to 12’s and 14’s (gasp!), which is the size that MOST of their clothing starts at and are the sizes that are always the last to go on the clearance sales. I must hand this to them; they have found some absolutely stunning women with their size 12/14 curves, but somehow, looking at them stings even more when I realize that I am still larger than the “plus size” model with the full breasts and the thicker thighs, but who also manages to have a perfect flat tummy, no double chin, no unattractive bulges anywhere and who looks absolutely amazing in a bikini! Those women are gorgeous, but they are NOT representative of an average plus size woman.
    It has taken me a long time to learn to love my body, with all of her “imperfections”. I like to wear pretty clothes that make me look professional, fun, sexy, whatever the look is I’m going for that day. I go on vacations, I swim (I will save the plus size swimwear rant for another day!), I accessorize (is it REALLY so hard to make a larger bracelet???). I shop for the same items that every other woman shops for, I just want them to be easy to shop for and I’d like to see what they look like on a REAL woman! Is that really so much to ask?
    So as I shop, I write to the people I buy from and I ask them to do better. I tell them that if they would only market smarter, we would come in droves to buy their products and they would all be richer! I just don’t get it, what’s so damn hard about that?

  18. Tracy Coldwell says

    I read with interest about plus size models, but there is no mention about height. You may, if you’re lucky, see a size 18 model, but you can guarantee she will be 5′ 10″ or taller! I’m 5′ in my shoes, let’s see some shorties in plus size clothes too!!

  19. Connie says

    I too do not believe that we are being represented well. I use to be a fashion model until I was 29 at a size 10 and they still wanted me to lose weight. I wanted to get back into modeling but, at 36, am now a size 16 and am told I need to lose weight. I do not feel I need to lose weight to be a fashion model. I am just as pretty and now have meat on my bones. I feel and look more healthy then I did at size 10 and do not want to have to become a bone rack again but would so love to get back into the world of modeling. It just is not fair that I come from a line of healthy, strong women! Things really need to change!

  20. wildestwilder says

    This is why I am starting my own Plus size line and I will be the model at a perfectly plump 18/20…be on the lookout for CULT OF CALIFORNIA!!!

  21. Sammie Clemmons says

    I wonder if anyone has made a list of companies that use actual plus size models? For instance, I just checked out the Torrid website, and they do. I am a freelance writer, and would be glad to research this issue and write a post about it. If that entire 50% of women that wear over a size 14 stopped shopping at any of these places, it would send a strong message!

  22. Fred Wilcox says

    I was fortunate to be raised to see that beauty does not have to come in a small package. For most of my life, it simply hasn’t. I dread to think how unhappy I would be with whomever I would be with now if I had been raised to believe that small is beautiful and all others are ugly. I love my wife, so very much, just as I have loved so many other women, nearly all of whom wore dress sizes of 14 or higher. It’s not the size of a woman’s dress that means the most to me… It’s the size of her HEART. And I’ve seen far smaller hearts more commonly in Cosmo-quality girls than in big women.

  23. Christina Baxter-Perry says

    I completely agree, its getting scary out there for women. I love my body, the curves and so does my guy. I am tattooed, rubenesque and proud of it.
    I am doing some of these things now and share with others, thank you for writing this.

  24. erynn says

    so… the cute girl with the nice body in the photo is a plus size model? why don’t we have more of those in ads?

  25. says

    I pretty much agree with everything that was just said by Chyna above. It makes me sad that I can’t purchase the clothes I want from the stores that I love because they no longer or never did cater to the voluptuous/curvy woman category. I hate it even worse when they tell me that I have to “order plus-sizes online” when I don’t have a debit/credit card at this time. I support Lane Bryant/Cacique only because they have clothes that fit me well, but I don’t support their hellish expensive prices ($75 for jeans?! Where am I gonna get that kind of money? I could use that money to fix my car!) or their particular styles of clothing because it does not suit my personal style. (I used to shop at Hot Topic before they started to get snotty and super small.) I have found solace in a little group on Facebook called This Is My Body Project that encourages people of all shapes, sizes, colors, ages, and backgrounds to embrace their body flaws and all and reject the social accepted “norm” of pin-thin cookie-cutter models. Hail to the glorious curvy woman! <3

  26. beckster says

    So, I have been getting more and more upset with Torrid because their models over the years have gotten smaller and smaller and more mainstream looking. I emailed them a few times to tell them how their models look NOTHING like the majority of their customers and I hate looking at their clothing online because I have NO idea what their clothes will look like on someone like me that has big hips (size 22) and a small waist /upper body (size 16-18). Also, NONE of their models are over size 12…. which is their smallest size. They emailed me back and said that all of their models are sizes 12-18 and that they are just representing what their customers WANT to see. They are saying that their customers don’t want to see women that are a similar size to their own, but that they’d rather see a smaller sized girl modeling the clothes. I just don’t believe it.

  27. Dane Rauschenberg says

    Making no comment on anything else than what I am about to state, when the statistics say: “Twenty years ago the average fashion model weighed 8% less than the average woman. Today, she weighs 23% less.” nothing is mentioned about how the average woman is heavier today than she was 20 years ago. As such, this particular stat is quite misleading (e.g., the fashion model might have actually gained weighed or stayed the same whereas the average woman has gone up in weight at a much higher rate) and already does not make an informed reader wish to put much stock in the rest of the article.

  28. Andy J says

    There are men like me who prefer a real women not a stick figure, I don’t believe I have ever dated anyone wearing smaller size 14. In fact I don’t find skinny women attractive. You’re all beautiful regardless of your clothing size.

  29. Michi*melt says

    So… Yeah, I think we’ve been sent this message before but its nothing new. Is the model really plus sized? I don’t think the fashion industry cares about plus size women, skinny women, animals (fur/leather), the environment, etc. They set the trend but they don’t care. F* them.

    My problem is that there are no really good stores for plus size women in the various price points smaller sized women have. I have been looking around when I go shopping around town in L.A. and its really sad. My friends have complained to me many times about their fashion woes. Torrid is quite expensive and their clothes are a little on the loud and club scene side. Lane Bryant and The Ave don’t really cater to fashion for Teens or women in their 20’s I’d say and they can get pretty expensive. Then there are the cheaper stores, like forever 21… the material is horrific and the cuts are even worse. What fits a skinny woman fits differently on a plus size women. I would say Target is in the decent middle price point range and they have some nice items, sometimes. If there was a store that sold trendy, well cut, normal/everyday and professional clothes for the plus sized woman at a good price, this would be a good thing. If I were a millionaire, I’d definitely start this business up.

  30. kiki says

    I love the inspiration. And the positive goals toward plus size acceptance :). But I think we can achieve this and soon much more without full nudity!

  31. Lindsay says

    I find it hard to believe that as a woman that is under size 12 we are considered plus size? When the plus size movement started, the models were actually over a size 16 and up! To put women of normal size as considered plus sized is only saying the same message that we do not belong like the supermodels… WE are between a rock and a hard place on this one. When I see models like this above, this is a normal sized woman that is gorgeous! I don’t know many women that are of normal size that even look as good as that. There should be a way to define us all at all sizes… where is the market for normal sized women??? Maybe that is the question that needs to be reviewed and answered not making us two extremes. If I had legs like this woman and I am a size 8 – I would be considered plus size… Think how strange that sounds people.

  32. Diane says

    There is nothing “Plus” size about this beautiful gal. Get serious… It’s time to celebrate real women!

  33. Jessica says

    Thank you to the couple of women who pointed out that obesity in the US is a way bigger issue than how companies are marketing to their clientele. We definitely don’t need to be promoting an unrealistic idea of thinness but to imply that a size 22 is a healthy and appropriate size for someone to be is also wrong. And as someone who is thin, both naturally and because I take care of myself by eating healthy whole foods and exercising I’m offended when women say that only a large woman is a ‘REAL” woman. How about we start off as women by not judging ourselves and each other.

  34. Chyna your Curvy Life Coach says

    As a Plus Size Voluptuous Women….I have strong feelings on this, because I don’t believe we are being represented right in Plus Size Modeling world. The models I see are no where near my size, I’m a 22 in jeans and a 24 in my shirt and the models they have barely tip the scale in a size 14…I do let my voice be heard because I coach only Plus Size Women and we talk about that all day.That what we’re seeing in the Plus Size Modeling world is scary it’s like they say Plus Size but they won’t tip the scale to support the real Plus Size Women and it’s all so wrong..We are not a season or a reason we are here to stay and we MATTER….

  35. Sandi says

    Marilyn Monroe was a size 13 and is considered today to be one of the top beautiful women ever in the world. I don’t understand why the fashion industry has to make all the really cute clothing for the stick figures. I’ve struggled with anorexia through the years, had the hardest time getting to the point where I actually ENJOY eating, but I have overcome that with the help from my loving husband who ‘loves my cuddle’ as he puts it. Yes, I’m a plus size, I’m curvy and beautiful. Yes, I do sometimes look in the mirror and say, “Good grief, I’m fat…” But then I say, “And? Just be happy and be yourself!” Always be true to yourself. I get so frustrated shopping for clothes because what they say is my size isn’t. I can get two sizes of the same brand, one 16, one 18. The 16 jeans fit, but were a little tight. I tried on the size 18 and they didn’t even make it up over my thighs. Um…what?! 18 is larger and should have fit, but it didn’t! Something is wrong here. I feel like they do this intentionally to make us feel like we need to lose weight. My mum gave me a size 12 pair of jeans that were 15 years old and they fit me perfect. Something is definitely wrong with the sizing! I went to England two years ago for my sister-in-law’s wedding and we went to a store that had lovely clothes that actually made me feel good to be in and the models? Curvy women, not the skinny kind we have over here in the USA for our models. I felt GOOD to be in that store!

  36. Lydia says

    I’m sorry, but I refuse to believe that anyone wearing size 18 and up is healthy. Yes, the fashion industry is wacko and is partly responsible for the popular and societal opinion that the thinner = the better. But lets not be the opposite of that, which would be the thicker = the better. Everyone is beautiful i ntheir own right, yes. But being overweight and obese is not something that should be embraced, just as being stick thin is also not something that should be embraced. By the way, this comes from a person who wears within the size-range I mentioned. I’m unhealthy, I know it. But I’m not sitting here trying to tell anyone otherwise, or trying to embrace it.

  37. allyr says

    America has become a nation of sheep. Apathetic, just complaining without doing anything about it. Letting the government and media take control of every aspect of our lives. Put up with anything including this nonsense. Meanwhile, a poster mentioned shopping at Forever 21 and Hot Topic after having a baby and being disappointed? Girl, those stores are for teenagers with no hips. Shop at store for WOMEN in the MISSES department. There are plenty of clothes for Plus size. Not designer, true. Google Macy’s Plus size, nothing wrong with those clothes. p.s. I’d LOVE to have the body of the woman in the photo.

  38. Monique says

    I would just like to say something to the people who argue that obesity is an epidemic that shouldn’t be catered to. Whether or not someone is obese, or anorexic, that doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t have the right to feel good about themselves and what they wear. They NEED CLOTHES TOO. This isn’t about what is healthy and what is not healthy, its about the fact that people are people, and deserve to be able to look and feel just as nice as people who are bigger/smaller than they are.

  39. Ember says

    Marilyn Monroe was a size 14. Most men still think she was sexy. Why aren’t we at the same size or larger? Boo to the fashion industry!!

  40. MissKari says

    While I applaud the efforts for people to love themselves as they are (and a greater awareness for acceptance). I think you used the statistics portion of the article in your arguments favor rather than looking at the numbers realistically. In a post 1970’s environment we are bombarded with food the is extremely unhealthy for you! Fast food and HFCS is slowly killing America. Food of this nature is so much more prevalent now than in the past. So stating the differences between models sizes & the AW post and present is talking about two completely different environments. There is no comparison of the food consumed then and now! So the AW knows that a cheeseburger & fries everyday will make her gain weight, while an apple would be a much healthier choice. It’s basic science, its not hatred or a desire to shun or embarrass people. We all need to make healthy decisions (with a few treats and splurges here and there) to ensure that we are going to live a long, healthy and happy life.

    So overall, poorly done on your part in using statics to sway your argument when those numbers are no longer valid due to the change in everyday American living.

  41. Gen Mass says

    Hello!
    In the end of 80’s, I was a teen and I was wearing a real size 14. Now, i’m at the end of my 30’s, I’m more slim but still wearing size 14…hhhmm. You know what? Even if we complain, nothing will change because this industry is huge to fight. I’m not so slim than that but i love my body because with the years, i made some workout to strengthen my body but not to be slim.
    Without clothes, i’m a voluptuous woman and I don’t want to loose my voluptuous curves. Can you imagine a woman without curves? Not for me… Lol.

  42. Jenna says

    Hi all
    i love reading everyones comments and though id put my 2 cents in, regardless what size people are 6-26 everyone should be represented short or tall everyones body is different as for promoting obesity i disagree some poeple are built larger and shouldn’t have to meet what society deems are normal but if they live a happy and healthy life i dont see why the should feel segregted. As for fashion i am extremely upset and hisheartened i am a size 20-24 depending on the store and i am 25 years old i fids that in Australia the plus size section is dismall if not pathetic. Dont get me wrong the stores we do have are fine for some, but i dislike most of the styles and fabric as they are not my style i am sure lots of people love them but everytime i go in i am dissappointed. Online shopping is fantastic but still limited to different types of clothing styles plus hard to guess how it will look and fit as the models are a size 14 and have no lumps or bumps.I would be happy if some clothing stores extended there range to cater for plus size people there profits would be phenominal but alas thety dont want the stimga of plus size associatede with there name. If i had the money i would open my own clothing store ranging in every size with models of everysize maybe i wont have to and someone will do it for me. anyways thats my 2 cents.

  43. Keri Atkins says

    This is a wonderful read. I love that statistic’s were listed. Why would ANY company want to turn away 50% of their customers??? Isn’t a company out to make profit? I LOVE this. Well done! -Keri Atkins

  44. Editor-in-Chief, Madeline Jones says

    I can tell you that I have had meetings with big brands and private designers about the size issue and most have told me that when they use a bigger model, the item she is wearing does not sell. I have argued that using ONE bigger model does not make sense because they change girls all the time until they find someone that sells. Why is there such scrutiny over the bigger model when the base of their customers are asking for it?

    Companies like Pennington’s, Carmakoma and designers like Monif C and Jibri use visibly bigger girls. I would have to sit and think long and hard to make a list of companies whose models are larger than a size 12.

    When the plus-size modeling industry began the model sized ranged from 12 to 18/20. Women bought clothing and felt inspired, I firmly believe that there is something else going on here. We are at a very critical point in our industry and if we do not come together and demand to be marketed to properly we will not have an industry to speak of one day.

  45. mikey says

    I get what this is getting at, but it’s still a misleading article. According to Gallup(http://www.gallup.com/poll/150947/self-reported-weight-nearly-pounds-1990.aspx) the average woman weighed 142 in 1990, putting the average fashion model at 131lbs. Since then the average weight of men and women has increased by about 20lbs, putting the “23% less” fashion model at 125 lbs. Granted it is 6 lbs lighter, but it isn’t the glaring difference they’re purporting.
    Fact is, men and women are getting fatter, obesity is a problem and there is such a thing as being too big.
    (before stones are hurled saying that I’m just a fat man with a double standard, I’m 5’11”, 160 lbs and exercise and watch what I eat to stay this way)

  46. Tall, but not overweight says

    I am a 6ft tall woman. I am not overweight by any means, my stomach is flat and I would wear a bikini if it weren’t for my dislike of my stretch marks. I am also a size 14. I am a size 14 because my hip bones are that wide. To all of you who think anything above a size 12 is overweight, think again. Women are getting taller and acceptable sizes are getting smaller in the fashon world. I was a stick figure of a child and teen, but I would have been considered a plus size model at the age of 12 because I have the bone structure of a WOMAN. Yes, there is an obesity epidemic in this country, but don’t try to measure obesity by jean sizes, it doesn’t work that way.

  47. says

    I am a fat guy(I’m not ashamed of it!), with a 48 waste. Finding my size is a pain to begin with, and half the time, my size still doesn’t look right on me. I’m now told I need a longer/deeper inseam..ok, whatever.. My overall point is that at a time when people are screaming that obescity is an epidemic, its hard to find something that fits right. And its even HARDER to find something that looks good or looks cool that will fit right. I swear, its like the fashion companies decided, “Eh..They’re fat, they’re ugly..lets not let them forget it! Lets make it so that they have to dress even uglier!”

    I’m sick of it! I want to be able to wear a killer shirt, and have it look great on me! Same goes for pants! I admit, 90 per cent of the time I dress like a shlub.. But for the 10 per cent of the time that I want to look good..I want to to look great!

  48. Kimberly Atkins says

    I just posted a picture of myself (on a social networking site) from about 8 years ago…. when I was STARVING myself and taking diet pills so that I could reach this UNREALISTIC and DANGEROUSLY unattainable ideal of “beauty” that society, the advertising and fashion industries have ACCEPTED (and even pushed on us) as “the norm.” It breaks my heart to look back at that photo (where I was obviously very scrawny) and remember that right after I took it I thought to myself, “I still have a ways to go.” For WHAT? A ways to go until I’m so hungry and thin that I’m passing out? A ways to go until you can see my ribs and joints under my skin? Oh, that’s right!!! A ways to go until I can be “happy” with my body and considered “beautiful, thin, attractive, fashionable,” like so many of my female counter-parts gracing the face of magazine covers. It’s no wonder so many of us feel depressed and unworthy. There are very FEW out there (in the fashion/modeling industry) who are representing US, REAL, LIFE, WOMEN! It was so sad to hear several of my friends who commented on my social network post that they also struggled with body-image issues and that they thought they were alone! The best part was the affirmation that I had done something that helped other women be inspired and for them to know they aren’t alone in their struggle for self-acceptance. I am a constant “work in progress” and I have to work on loving myself the way I am, every single day. It’s much easier to do that, when I have GORGEOUS plus-sized role-models to look to and say, “See! Naturally curvy IS beautiful and sexy!”

  49. Renee says

    This is a fantastic article and so true. It gets so depressing to go shopping when you can’t find nice clothes and underwear for your size. I will follow those tips for sure!!!

  50. Deborah Armstrong says

    You ready? ‘Cuz I’m naming names.
    About 15 years ago, my mother and I were in Nordstrom’s. We passed a rack of Pendleton separates. The items on the 2 mannequins and the display rack were pink and grey, some plaid fabric, some solid, all mixed together to make a very stylish suit that had 2 Jackets [one blazer and one rib-length bolero], a pleated skirt, a flared skirt, and smokin’ straight-leg, man-styled trousers. There were also 2 blouses, made of a very pretty silk crepe.
    Well, you guessed it, situated right out on the main aisle? This was of course, the petites department! They had sizes 8, 10, 12, and 14.
    At the time, I wore a size 20.
    So, I went off to the “Women’s Department”–located in the farthest-possible corner of the store, and by the way, SHARING a dressing room with the Misses Department.
    I described the lovely Pendleton outfits to the saleswoman, who was very happy to tell me that yes, they had that line!
    What she showed me was sickening.
    There was one jacket . . . the “unconstructed” style, you know, no style at all.
    There was one skirt . . . “A” line.
    Those Man-styled straight-legged trousers? They had turned into pants with a pleated waist, and TAPERED legs . . . the worst possible style for anyone with any degree of curve to her body.
    By my estimate, NONE of the garments in the women’s department used as much material as had been used for the petite garments in the same line.
    Petites: SEVEN garments, 2 of which were SILK blouses
    Women’s: Four garments, one of which was a polyester blouse of a different brand.
    Would anyone care to guess which department’s outfit COST more?

  51. Tiffannie Lasalle says

    i love this article it is so true even as i try to break into the industry it is hard but love you always because no one will love you like you….nothing wrong with being plus size i love every inch of me and thats something that the fashion industry have to sub come to barriers will be broken and as society change so shall the industry…

  52. Miss Sarah Diva says

    *********THIS COPY IS WHAT SHOULD BE APPROVED; The other one contained inaccuraceies*********************

    I personally have been on both sides of the fence, I’m 5’9; Right now I am a size 13-14. My lowest weight was 114 lbs (size 4) and my highest 265lbs (size 18). In both cases I’ve had insecurities.
    I very much agree with this artical, and I think it’s important to bring to light this issue; especially by raising awareness of what role the media really play’s in regards to our impression of what we SHOULD be.
    I do however think that REAL woman come in all shapes and sizes. Big, little, skinny, curvey; We are all beautiful!
    Woman especially need to stick together and love one another: the more we do that the more strength we have and there by create awareneess that we should all be treated equally in the world.

  53. danae says

    Hello everyone, I copy here a wonderful quote I read yesterday in the tube and made my day.
    Michael Fassbender a gorgeous Irish-German actor who played in Inglourious Basterds, and X-Men was asked whether he has a certain type of women that he likes, and so he said:
    “If a girl is slightly overweight, or you know if she’s comfortable in herself, living life the way she wants to live it, I find that sexy.”
    that was in Metro paper 6/1/12 in London.

    It is so refreshing to hear men expressing their uncontaminated by media love for the female body.
    we all women are brainwashed to believe that we are ugly and men will never look at us if we are not starving.
    we have been thinking that media images have not only shaped our body hatred , but also have shaped the taste of men.

    we need more variety of healthy female body images, (neither small or big women have to feel excluded), and more men expressing publicly their admiration for the healthy female body.
    i think those testimonies by men will have e huge effect to women who suffer with body issues.

    danae

  54. Scarlett says

    I don’t think the fashion world should support obesity, just as I don’t think it should support anorexia. I don’t want to see a skin and bones size 2 on the runway, simply because in most cases it’s not healthy and I don’t believe we should be sending the message that it’s something we should be aiming for or even be okay with. And it’s for those same reasons that I wouldn’t want to see a size 22 woman on the catwalk. It’s VERY rarely a healthy way to live, and I would never want my children to see that and think that it’s an okay lifestyle choice. That being said, I’m not a small girl, but I eat healthy, I work out every day, and I’m a size 8. I just don’t think that being the extreme case, either too small or too large, is a good choice.

  55. says

    As someone who went from a size 16 in high school to developing anorexia and bulimia that I have battled with over the past ten years of my life, I was appalled to find out that there are websites marketing towards teens and young adults that actually post the models heights and sizes underneath the photos of the clothing items, setting an unhealthy and unrealistic expectation of what women’s bodies should look like. I started an online petition for one such company to stop this advertising as I think it is only detrimental to the demographic that they market to

  56. Timothy Black says

    This may have been said already but what a glaringly bad bit of logic in the first part of the article. “20 years ago models were 8% thinner than the average and now they are 23% thinner than the average.” Really?? This should be obvious but…

    The models didn’t get skinnier. We as a nation have exploded in size in the last 20 years. That much is obvious to anyone over the age of 30.

  57. Janne says

    I have to agree with the issues we face in regards to obesity. I think the issue is that we all (advertisers and customers alike) focus on size and not health. And it is just as degrading and unacceptable to shame some one for being thin as it is to do so for those who are overwheight. The current BMI scale is grossly out of proportion. It is beyond reprehensible to say that weight and/or size determines what makes an individual a woman. Gender identity is not reliant on the media, or your size, or your weight, or even the parts you were born with. Be who you are, who you want to be. Most of all be healthy and stop discriminating. Think of how awful you feel when someone judges you. How in the world would you think it is acceptable to judge others? Please consider the damage you do to others before you speak.

  58. sherry says

    Face the facts you ladies that are saying that 14 is obese and store shouldn’t have clothes that big. Have you ever been pregnant? Have you ever gained 50 lbs. over 8 months and then tried to get it off again? I know some people have no trouble with this and some people don’t gain that much over a pregnancy. However, many are not so blessed and the weight does not come off or stay off. It came off easy the first time for me, but with the second and third it did not and Ive been between a 16 and 20 ever since. Its NOT just over eating problems. Weight is also a matter of harmonal factors and just plain genetics. Also as we age, those harmones cause other changes. The world view is women should look like they did at 18 for the rest of their lives. That’s rediculous!!! The fashion world says women should look the same as they did at 14. You think I’M MAKING THAT UP? Go check the size and ages of the average model. I see a lot of young girls who have been made up with make-up and then dressed to market clothing to grown women. Look at the runway models. Take a good look at those tall GIRLS and tell me they are old enough to drink coctails at the after party. I don’t think so.

  59. Celeste says

    First, that model is not plus-sized in my opinion. She is average and normal. Most of the “regular” models, look like walking skeletons and I know very few women who are beyond the age of 25 that are that thin and not professional performers or models. Secondly, regardless of whether or not there is an obesity problem in this country, if your business is SELLING clothes, wouldn’t it make sense to sell things that fit as many people as possible? Some people have commented that it is wrong to condone a plus-size (or size 22) but just because a clothes maker decides not to make or market to plus-size women, that’s going to solve the problem of obesity? If that were the case everyone would wear a tiny size because every time I go shopping, what’s leftover and marked down are clothes in the size 2-8 that your average woman does not buy. Finding a size 12-14 in a nice outfit is a challenge since they are very popular sizes.

  60. says

    18/20 isn’t plus size for many many people. Myself included. The smallest I ever got was a 15 and that was too thin. I am 6ft and large boned. Plus size refers to women who are bigger than they should be on average, that;s the “Plus” part.
    60% of women in the US are overweight and it’s hard to lose weight. We want to see ourselves! WE pay through the nose for plus size fashions, we should be given what we want. NO GRANNY CLOTHES and no fit, in shape big girls posing as fat! OKAY I said it plus sized is fat.
    I personally don’t except someone who is only big. Someone who is their ideal weight, for their body as a plus size anything. Marilyn Monroe was a 14 in her heyday, she was NOT plus sized. Mo’nique, is. She’s lost some weight and is working to be healthier and that is great! Some of us are destined to always be pudgy. WE get upset because as soon as the sizes go to double digits, in the media, they are called “Plus sized” REALLY? Big boned and 6ft tall, I don’t think my skeleton is a size 10!
    Plus size women aren’t really fit. If you can feel you bones, you can’t pinch more than an inch, you’re only indentations denote your stomach muscles and run vertical up to your sternum, you’re NOT plus size. You’re big that’s all. A plus size woman’s folds and generally denotations run horizontally and some parts hang a bit or more than a bit. Chances are, her thighs rub together and she sports “Bingo Wings” instead of sleek upper arms and triceps. I think that’s why we get upset at models who are a 6ft and a size 18. That’s just a big girl! We aren’t seeing “US” out there and we want to!! I am plus size. Mia Tyler, Gabourey Sidibe, Christina Schmidt, Cai Cortez are all plus sized. Kirstie Alley is too and she should embrace it because all that yo~yo dieting will kill her even faster than the weight itself will. And that’s what denying true plus sized woman leads to. People with eating disorders. Can you honestly say that someone who loses and gains 50+ pounds, purposely, over and over again does not have an illness?
    Okay that’s enough soap~box time. I said a lot, I know. I hope it made sense because I wrote while I was passionate about the topic. I hope you get my gist!

  61. Brenda says

    Noticed that some of the larger clothes will add extra dollars to the price for a garment that is plus sized…yet the same garment in smaller sizes is cheaper. If there is no difference in price from small to X-large…then why is there for plus size? It’s discrimination.

  62. Melissa says

    I am a size 16 woman and I agree with what has been said about obesity in the comments. The statistic about the 23% less that the avg. model weighs compared to the avg. woman is undoubtedly affected by the rise in average weight. I am also certain that clothing modeled by actual plus-sized models at size 18 DOES sell less clothing, because many women want to think that outfits will make them look thinner, and if they see a large woman wearing it they may feel like they will also look large.

    That being said, however, I eat a very healthy, varied diet with small portions and no junk food. After my son was born, I settled in at size 16 and haven’t changed much in the couple of years since. Should I be made to feel like I am a horrible, ugly person who doesn’t know how to take care of herself because I am curvy? Should I be wearing a tent to highlight my shame for being overweight following the most precious womanly gift imaginable? I don’t want to judge thin women. My sister is very thin and that comes with a whole host of other problems. But I also don’t wan people to call me obese and use me as a poste child for everything that’s wrong with Americaneating habits without knowing mine. And I would like some realistic shopping options so that I can look as professional and sexy as my thinner colleagues.

  63. Meg says

    I am mixed on this article. I am a 16 and unhappy with that. I would like to be a 12 again as that is what I was when I was my most fit at 23. No, I will never be a size 6; but I can be healthier than I am now. Due to the obesity epidemic in the country – and it is a major health crisis – I believe that the average has been skewed upward. That is one side of it.

    Now, that said, the other day I saw a casting announcement for “plus sized” models. Guess what the size range was. Go on. Guess!

    8-12.

    Now, while on the whole tha nation may be larger than before, at no point in the course of current societal mores has a size 8 been even remotely plus sized (except in the fashion world)!

    Also, I recently saw an article calling the Victoria’s Secret models “larger” beauties. I am sorry, but on what planet are any of those women “larger”? Taller, certainly, but not larger.

  64. Kelli says

    I agree with Scarlett above. The fact of the matter is that being overweight is NOT good for you no matter how much we try to justify it. The same thing is for the super skinny women out there that are equally unhealthy but in different ways. We cannot ignore the fact that over 50% of the U.S. population is overweight and/or obese and that we are getting lazier and unhealthier by the minute. We move less, eat more and eat more of the wrong foods (processed and contaminated with pollutants). Promoting plus size models is not the answer either. Yes, we all need to work with our bodies based on how they are created and no, not everyone can/should look the same. But, saying that being overweight is beautiful and ok is giving people a false sense of what is safe and healthy. We need to move more, eat less and make better choices about our lifestyle. The interesting thing is that 20 years ago this would have never been a conversation nor a part of the media. Hmmmm….

  65. Megan says

    While I agree with the sentiment of this article, I just want to clear something up. There is no BMI category called, “anorexia.” it is called “underweight.” Anorexia is a mental health disorder and should not be confused with the BMi that is just a weight-to-height calculation. Those with anorexia will require mental health care and intervention, while someone who is underweight may suffer from another underlying medical condition or may simply be naturally thin.

  66. Jenny says

    Every time someone posts something positive, attempting to get the message out there that we all don’t have to be a size 2, people always jump to the extreme opposite. Yes, being obese is not healthy, but was the article talking about obese people? No, it was referring to the “average” woman. And before you label someone obese, keep in mind that the BMI has changed over the past few years and the new changes labels nearly everyone with some extra pounds “obese”.

    When I see ads for clothing, or even as I walk by the stores and their front windows, with a glance I can tell if I should even bother walking into the store. Even if they were to have something in my size, chances are it is not going to look good on me because it was made for a thin girl. But when I see a larger model looking good and sexy, I know that that store will have something for me. Maybe I can look as sophisticated and beautiful as the model. I don’t think I have ever seen a plus sized model wearing something that I was scared would make me loot “fat like her”.
    It’s great that your on your high horse, talking about the promotion of unhealthy obese people, and how it’s not right. When the exact opposite is true. Tell me something, would you rather spend the rest of your life hating yourself and the way you look, feeling uncomfortable every time you go out, or would you rather be happy, confidant and loving yourself , even though you may be “overweight”? We have only one life to live. I would rather be happy in my own skin than miserable.

  67. Melissa says

    One further comment that should be noted is body shape compared to size and weight. I have a cousin who is five feet tall with DDD breasts. She necessarily wears size 18 shirts because of the size of her breasts, but she is thin in the waist and hips (she wears size 8 pants). Her scale weight is pretty high for her height, so her BMI indicates that she is overweight, but her doctor has repeatedly told her that her weight is healthy, articifically inflated by her breast size. Other studies show that it matters where you carry your weight… belly fat is worse than fat on the hips and thighs. Other women, as noted above, are very tall, or have wide pelvises that inflate their pants sizes.

    While the fashion industry can’t possibly reflect the vast diversity of female body shapes and sizes, it is disheartening to note that it continues to promote a single cookie-cutter shape as standard, from which each woman must extrapolate her own shape in similar clothing. It is OUR responsibility to love what we look like NOW and dress nicely the bodies that we have NOW, regardless of our weight loss (or gain) goals; but it would be responsible and lucrative for the fashion industry bigwigs to go outside the office and watch women walk by on the street for a few hours, and see what is lovely about them, and how to make them even lovelier.

  68. Pat says

    Let me give you an inside look at a “plus” size woman. When I was 18 I wore a size 7 and yes I was healthy, but that was in jeans. I wore an extra large in shirts because of the size of my chest. The problem isn’t just with health or with weight. I weighed about 150 pounds which according to the scale of today would have made me grossly obese and mind you this is medical scale. I was in no way obese. I was fit and comfortable with my body. Clothing designers on the other hand are cutting their clothing smaller and smaller because society believes that every woman should look like a plastic barbie doll. I despise clothing shopping and will go to almost any length to avoid it. I used to love to wear clothing that was stylish but it’s a nightmare to find clothing that fits in any shop from the mass market discount stores to boutiques. Generally I now wear only what is termed “comfy pants” and over-sized men’s t-shirts. There is no possible way in which to find clothing that will fit properly. If clothing designers wish people to buy their clothing they need to recognize that not everyone is the same size or shape. Also they need to realize that just because I am not a 15 year old barbie doll it does not mean that I want or would enjoy dressing like my grandmother. The style options for tops in “plus” sizes are hideous. Believe me if I were able to change the size of my chest I would do it in a heartbeat but I really don’t want to have surgery for it and being forced to wear hideous clothing because I have a chest is just wrong. If you want women to buy your clothing you should market attractive clothing that they can wear.

  69. Laura says

    Obesity *in and of itself* is simply a state of having a certain percentage of bodyfat. It is not fashion’s responsibility to make medical diagnoses, and it’s not yours either, unless you yourself are a medical professional. Automatically assuming that an obese person is unhealthy (or lazy) is both misinformed and discriminatory.

    Also, it’s shortsighted to assume that a fat person is not actively pursuing healthy lifestyle choices. (I’m lookin’ at you, Kelli.)

    Many people, myself included, who have adopted healthy lifestyles and are choosing to lose weight STILL have to buy plus-sized clothes during the transition. No one can immediately go from a size 22 to a size 10. Losing weight takes time. That size-22 person is going to need clothes when she’s a size 20, 18, 16, 14 and 12 — all of which are sold at Lane Bryant. What exactly do you expect us to do? Wear baggy size 22’s and pine for an outfit on a size-00 model until we can fit into straight sizes? Ridiculous. We want to look good in ALL of the sizes we’ll wear on our journey. Like Melissa said above, it is our responsibility to dress the body we have NOW. And we should be able to see what clothes will look like on someone relatively close to our *current* size. Isn’t that what this whole discussion is about anyway?

  70. Nimah says

    I agree with the sentiment behind this article. At the same time, I continue to be infuriated by the idea that beauty is a zero-sum game, and that for one type to be deemed beautiful, the opposite must be reviled. In this article, you say, “there is nothing wrong with our bodies.” Yet you also say, “Most runway models meet the Body Mass Index physical criteria for Anorexia”…and the implication is that this is a bad thing. Does it occur to you that, perhaps, there is nothing wrong with their bodies, either? Just like you must hate the assumption that plus-sized people must certainly be unhealthy, the implication that anyone who is thin must be sick is just as damaging, and just as absurd.

  71. Amy says

    I agree with Kelli, and others, who say that bodies should be healthy. I recently lost 20 lbs myself (in my late 30’s, as my hormones were changing), to go from a size 8/10 to a 2/4, not because I was trying to fit some image, but because I was unhealthy! I have a small body frame, and my body fat % was around 35-38%. I was overweight. Now it’s about 22%. Generally, a woman is healthy if her body fat % is between 20-25%. That said, a 6 ft tall woman won’t usually be a size 2. I certainly do not support eating disorders or crazy dieting. I lost weight by putting good nutrition into my body and exercising. However, 66% of our nation is OVERWEIGHT/OBESE. I support women embracing their bodies, and women seeing images of other women who look more like them out there, but honestly, I find myself challenged by a woman who says “I love my body” when she is overweight/obese and at risk for heart disease, diabetes, stroke, digestive issues, reproductive problems, etc. Promoting body love is one thing, promoting body disease is another. Plus size models a size 6–no. Most women a size 0-4–no. But promoting a body that’s a size 20 or larger as “plus size and beautiful”–that’s dangerous too.

  72. says

    I do not have an issue with Plus sized women however I do have an issue with promoting a unhealthy lifestyle. I will never believe that being a size 22 is healthy. If one chooses to remain that size it is a risk one takes with their health.
    There should be clothing to represent the norm but I do hope that people someday make better lifestyle choices. I see too many “obese” children today that will sadly face a lifetime of obstacles .

  73. Skyfire says

    There is no evidence that a person who is obese but has good metabolic health markers (cholesterol, blood pressure, blood glucose) is or will become sick. Not every body will be healthy when it is obese, but not every obese body is unhealthy. You cannot rightly assume anyone’s health status or habits by looking solely at the size of his or her body. Obese people who are active and fit have the same risk of mortality and illness as people who are not obese and are active and fit, and a lower risk of mortality and illness as people who are not obese that are sedentary.

    Discrimination and stigma against those who are obese is not about health. It is about aesthetics alone, and it is morally reprehensible.

  74. Gwen says

    The fact of the matter is that we have an outrageous rate of obesity related illnesses and deaths in this country. Underweight models aren’t our problem.

  75. Mary says

    *cough* For all the people who have this perception that overweight = unhealthy, I would just like to point out that I am classified as obese, and I have textbook-perfect blood pressure, heartrate, and cholesterol levels. And that’s with a father who has every heart disease in the book. Am I 100% healthy? No. Is a person of average weight 100% healthy? Doubt it. But you know what? I have just as good of a chance of reaching 80 years old as the person of average weight.

    It’s just not that simple, and no matter how hard we all try to pigeonhole people into categories, it’s just not going to work. And the whole point is to be less judgemental. Can we try that, please?

  76. Not buying it says

    There are so many mistakes in this article.
    example
    1)Twenty years ago the average fashion model weighed 8% less than the average woman. Today, she weighs 23% less.

    (the reason is the average woman is about 20% heavier then 20 years ago models today are only about 3-5 % less then 20 years ago)

    2)Ten years ago plus-size models averaged between size 12 and 18. Today the need for size diversity within the plus-size modeling industry continues to be questioned. The majority of plus-size models on agency boards are between a size 6 and 14, while the customers continue to express their dissatisfaction.

    ( the reason is clothing is vanity sized in America now a size 6 was actually closer to a size 10, 10 years ago. I know this as I design for a major retailer why do you think they make size 0 and 00 now it’s not because people are getting smaller but that has become the old standard size 2 and 4)

    Maybe the writer should do more research before writing next time

  77. Marie says

    Another beautiful model here, but again not a plus size model. Is “plus” the new term for “normal size models”???? Apparently so, because most of the models I keep seeing in other places appear anorexic and malnourished.

  78. Dot says

    I applaud stores, manufacturers and publications like yours for addressing the issue. Businesses better start selling what people want to buy or folks will go elsewhere.

    I will say two things:
    a) My sweetie says, what men like to look at is different than what they like to touch and that most men like to touch someone with a little “frosting”. Unfortunately, IMO, men who want to be with super thin girls exclusively are chasing their own youth or have other issues.

    b) Hell, all you have to do to seem “overweight” to the fashion industry is have larger than a B cup and be under 5’5″. ___ forbid you be bigger than an 6. I am glad places like Kohls have had petite clothes in 10-16.

    On a side note, in the Gothic subculture, manufacturer sizes run even smaller than “normal” clothing stores. If you are an 8-12, they consider you XL or bigger. This is delusional because most Gothic women I know are easily 14-28. Because of this, a LOT of Gothic women make their own fabulous clothes. Sure, there are some naturally thin women but they are the exception, not the rule.

  79. Yasaman says

    I have read comments here and I agree with some and others I don’t after all it’s easy for someone who has never been overweight to say; eat less and workout, and get health. It’s not always that easy, there could be issues such as health reasons why one can not cut weight even when they are doing all the right things as other women here have said. I myself am over weight, I know this and I have been working on it since I gained weight and not to my own doing, I eat health and I Workout and I dance Pro (Belly Dancer) so you better believe I get called Fat but you know what I was a size 24 and I am now a size 16-18 I was 350 pounds and now I am 235., and yes it’s a fight because of glans and thyroid issues so I fight. I want a store to have my size and they make it so hard to shop for a Bra (I’m Breast heavy, even when I was skinny) and Jeans so I started making my own clothing, You have to be ok with you, and just because you are a smaller size does not mean you are health, because belly fat is the worse thing no matter if your other body parts are smaller. And yes there should be Plus size models as we have to dress as well, if people think that children will see this and take it the wrong way then you should talk with them, because the very skinny model is no better to follow after, we all will be who we are if we feel the need to change that then it’s up to us, not the runway or anyone else, so that said the clothing stores need to have clothing for ever size. (I have to laugh at that 8-14 said as Plus size LOL…really? WOW not even.

  80. says

    When asked to write a beauty article for a women’s magazine, Audrey Hepburn, considered to many one of the most beautiful women ever to live, quoted Sam Levenson instead:

    For attractive lips, speak words of kindness.

    For lovely eyes, seek out the good in people.

    For a slim figure, share your food with the hungry.

    For beautiful hair, let a child run his or her fingers through it once a day.

    For poise, walk with the knowledge you’ll never walk alone.

    People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed, and redeemed; Never throw out anybody.

    Remember, If you ever need a helping hand, you’ll find one at the end of your arm.

    As you grow older, you will discover that you have two hands, one for helping yourself, the other for helping others.

    The beauty of a woman is not in the clothes she wears, the figure that she carries, or the way she combs her hair. The beauty of a woman must be seen from in her eyes, because that is the doorway to her heart, the place where love resides.

    The beauty of a woman is not in a facial mole, but true beauty in a woman is reflected in her soul. It is the caring that she lovingly gives, the passion that she shows, and the beauty of a woman with passing years only grows!

  81. Shayla D. says

    Designers are really narrowing their clientele and missing the $$$ by not catering to women size 6 and bigger. This is a Fast Food Nation as we all work longer hrs. for less pay with more things tugging at our time in between leaving less time for excercise as well. So yes people in Fashion world- real women are size 6 or bigger! Get with the program and target the REAL CONSUMERS or face huge economic loss, and I don’t think you haughty designers can afford that in these Bad Economies, but- maybe Im wrong! Keep on designing for only 0- 4 sizes and I guess you will find out! ;) P.S. I am a size 6 and having a hard time finding clothes now so COME ON !!!! grrr

  82. scott says

    bmi says I am obese, even though I am just muscular. people might just me genetically disposed to be low weight compared with their heights.
    Perhaps the average woman is getting fatter, because the average person is getting fatter.
    That being said, I like thicker women anyway.

  83. Celeste says

    I wish I knew how to design clothes. I would design clothes for the average and plus size woman. I just don’t understand why someone who designs clothing, would not design for what the average population is. Either these people already are wealthy and they don’t want to make money, or they have no business sense. I do not believe that they are ignoring “plus” clothing and models because they think that by doing so they are fighting the obesity epidemic and facilitating all women dieting down to a size 8.

    And I agree with Jenny–some of the comments here are way off the charts. The model in the photo is not dangerously obese, by any stretch of the imagination. I would buy clothes modeled by her and other “average” (12-18) sized models. And perhaps we need to visit some museums (actually you can look at paintings on the internet now)–the model featured would fit in easily in every era depicted as “average” and beautiful!

  84. says

    Sorry to be Devils advocate here, but I remember 60s models from my childhood and they were very thin, just not quite so tall. In the 1960s the vast majority of women were a healthy weight, so I dispute the statistic about how far below the average models now are – the average weight of a woman today is much greater than it was then. TModels, particularly catwalk models, tend to be very very tall now, and they are often very much too thin and unattractively so, particularly on the catwalk – this is a horrible trend and should be stopped and I completely agree with that. But I don’t think the tendency for people to be overweight these days (unknown when I was young) should be encouraged. Some kind of balance is needed. I have struggled with my weight myself through pregnancies and stressful times. I know how difficult it is to become and stay a healthy weight in the modern world. But I think it is worth trying and there are many more resources and so much more knowledge now available on how to do this. I don’t like being beyond a healthy weight myself, I find it uncomfortable and annoying. For me personally a healthy size is 12 – it’s a struggle but worth it for my own comfort.

  85. stilldevout2david says

    Ladies, we are NEVER going to agree on this topic simply because we have been brainwashed to believe that being a certain size is acceptable and being another certain size is not. We have become a society where beauty is everything and the yardstick to which we measure ourselves by depends solely on what the “flavor of the week, month, year” is whereas advertising and beauty trends are concerned. Companies make their living from trying to sell their products to us in any way they possibly can and the sad thing about it is that we believe whatever snake oil they sell. Until we can all safely accept ourselves and others for what we are AS we are, no one is going to believe otherwise. the Size 0’s will think they are right and the Size 22’s will think they are right and those in between will think they have to side with one or the other in order to be happy. I for one don’t give a crap either way because I’m not allowing myself to believe that at a borderline Size 12/14 that I am anything BUT healthy, and that is according to my doctor who has many more degrees in medicine than some 20-something advertising snot who doesn’t have a true clue as to what a REAL woman is like or wears. If people are offended by the picture above, that’s your problem but quite frankly, I see a gorgeous woman who is bareing all and proudly because she is comfortable with who she is and what she stands for: TRUE beauty not a bulging waistline. For some of you who seem to think you will always be the same size all of your life for the rest of your life, take heed! It won’t happen. As we age our metabolism changes, it slows and it becomes harder to lose the weight not matter what you do. I’d like to see some of you come back here and post on this subject after you’ve popped out a couple of kids, found that you have absolutely NO time to go to the gym, have reached the age of 40 to 50 and find yourself staring at a packed closet full of Size 8 and under clothes and your waistline is a size 12 or higher. Or when you’ve just had some sort of liposuction to get rid of the fat. Then proceed to tell me and the others here exactly how badly you feel about how hard it is to find clothing to fit you because I doubt you’ll get any sympathy from us.

  86. Bhakti Iyata says

    This is not shocking at all. With little research I found these stats to say why the models are considered so underweight. In comparison to those who are grossly over weight it would appear on the outside they are that thin.

    Most women in the US are over weigh which the article fails to point out when saying “- Twenty years ago the average fashion model weighed 8% less than the average woman. Today, she weighs 23% less.” That is because 20 years ago women were not so over weight as they are today so there is a wider disparity.

    American Obesity Statistics

    USA Obesity Rates Reach Epidemic Proportions

    • 58 Million Overweight; 40 Million Obese; 3 Million morbidly Obese

    • Eight out of 10 over 25’s Overweight

    • 78% of American’s not meeting basic activity level recommendations

    • 25% completely Sedentary

    • 76% increase in Type II diabetes in adults 30-40 yrs old since 1990

    Obesity and America.

    How America grew so big! As seen from the obesity statistics , USA takes the cake in having the highest percentage of obese people. The following obesity statistics in US are rather discouraging. This is one growth, the U.S. would do well without. Read about the obesity statistics for US below.
    Obesity Statistics in America.
    In 20 years, between 1980 to 2000, the obesity figures doubled in the US.

  87. Ayele Kumari says

    I actually like the term goddess size over plus sized. Most of the ancient goddesses were very voluptuous and full such as Venus. This is a great self esteem builder and reflective of humanity’s long term appreciation for beautiful round women compared to a now limited view base on a small number of individuals.

  88. Marilyn Wann says

    I appreciate the good effort to call out rampant fat hate in the fashion industry. I also find this image, of a woman wearing no clothes and bending over as far as she possibly can bend over, to be the total opposite of an empowering depction of your stated goal. Really? Haven’t fat women been fucked when it comes to fashion for long enough? I just showed my wonderful boyfriend your image, asking him first to imagine a photo that would exemplify fat fashion inclusivity, he said, “Was I wrong to picture someone with clothes on?” No, he wasn’t wrong!

  89. Kwolf says

    A body is not something you wear, something you “do” (“You look great! How do you do it?”), it’s just your body. Ask a guy about this–they aren’t told constantly that their body is this, that, or the other thing. They just live. This whole discussion misses that point entirely. Why do we care about our body-size? Because we’re told we have to.

    I am an electrician. I head up and down ladders all day long, carry one end of 180-pound wire-axles, lift 120 wire-spools, and hold my arms above my head when working on ceiling-mounted boxes. I’m strong and I love it. My stamina is not that great, but I have a back-injury that keeps me from running so much. This is not “body-image,” this is ME, living in my body. Does the ability to lift 120 pounds, for someone who is 5’6″, sound strong? Does walking up and down ladders 100 times a day sound fit?

    I skip most of the fashion world because my clothing has to be of good quality for work, and women’s clothing is usually made to be worn for a year, no more, while doing essentially nothing physical. Even exercise clothing isn’t well-made. I go to a farm-supply store to buy my work-jeans. The fabric weight is approximately twice the fabric-weight of women’s jeans. The pockets are deep enough and sturdy enough to actually HOLD SOMETHING. Then I go home and open up seams in the back of the jeans and make them fit my waistline–thank goodness I know how to sew.

    I would like to look elegant when I want to go out, but can I find any clothing to fit my very fit body, and look sexy but not like someone who lets the fashion world define me as a sex-object? Not generally. Lane Bryant seems to be the only store around that markets to that desire, and it’s hard for me to find things that fit my personality even there.

    I weigh 180 pounds and everyone guesses about 20 pounds less–muscle looks like muscle, and muscle looks healthy, and healthy is assumed to be “smaller.” Hey–who wants to be SMALLER? Smaller as in less-strong, occupying less EMOTIONAL space in society, having less power in the world, being more defenseless!!!

    My doctor likes my weight. She also likes my blood-pressure, heartrate, and cholesterol.

    In women’s clothes, my pants are around a 16 to 18. In men’s clothes, I can find a 36-32 or 34-32 in a few minutes, and I know exactly what those measurements mean; in women’s, that same 16/18 will take me hours to find and try on before something fits well. The fashion industry can go to Hades as far as I’m concerned–I just want my daughter to be able to buy clothes that fit her 165 pound, strong, healthy body without being told that she has a weight problem!!! I just want all girls to be allowed to grow up not even THINKING about their bodies, as if that body was some separate entity, and taught that exercise and movement are important measures of good health and attractiveness.

  90. Bhakti Iyata says

    Amy, thank you for writing what you did…

    “Obese people who are active and fit have the same risk of mortality and illness as people who are not obese and are active and fit, and a lower risk of mortality and illness as people who are not obese that are sedentary.”
    Not true. Weight is an indication of health. NOT BEAUTY. I hear your “story” that because you chose to be over weight the rest of the world is wrong. Its not true.

    “Discrimination and stigma against those who are obese is not about health. It is about aesthetics alone, and it is morally reprehensible.” It is a reflection. Simple. How you take it is on you. How are you manifesting yourself in the world? Does your outsides match your insides? Is your outsides a reflection of the internal work you’ve done?

    Be your experiences. You body is made up of millions of choices, bites, and behaviors. How you manifest these attitudes and choices is your choice. You do not need to be accepted or praised for being over/under weight. Be authentically who you are and let the rest fall where is will. We are not victims. We make choices.

  91. Heather says

    I think some numbers are a little skewed when it comes to determining a “healthy” body weight. Runway models are too skinny, bottom line. Have you seen Kiera Knightly?? Yikes! I would sooner stay the size I currently am than EVER aim for something like that.

    Larger bodies run rampant in my genetics, so there’s too much I can do about that. I was mocked in high school for being “fat”, when in truth, I was merely “A few extra pounds”. I look back at those pictures now and realize there was NOTHING wrong with my body back then. Then…after being forced to move out of my dad’s and giving up my daily routine of exercise (cycling, rollerblading, etc), I had to move to an area of my city where those activities were difficult to do because of the areas reputation for gangs, etc. I used to bike, walk, and rollerblade to the store, my friends houses, even work when I lived with my dad. I was healthy, but I was still a plus size (18/20).

    After dealing with stress and a dead-end job, I began putting on weight. Slowly at first, because I didn’t notice and neither did anyone else. It was when my favorite clothes stopped fitting that I noticed. But I didn’t do anything then, because I had no motivation at that point. I kept gaining until I reached a size 28. My heaviest was right around 310lbs.

    I decided enough was enough when I moved in with my bf. I was tired of having to buy huge sizes for an extra cost, so I went on a weight-loss journey (until my weight loss center closed). In about 6-7 months, I went from being 310lbs and a size 28 to 280lbs at size 22. 3 PANT SIZES! I was thrilled! I’m still that same size, even though I have a bit more tummy than I should have (working on that).

    I used to get called “whale”, “fat-ass”, and an array of other colorful detrimental names. Now that I’m losing weight, friends and family are noticing, and it feels FANTASTIC to hear someone say, “wow you look amazing!”

    Bottom line? I’m comfortable with how I look. I’m by no means a junk-foodie, although I like to snack every now and then, but who doesn’t? As long as you’re making an effort to better yourself for YOU (not anyone else…YOU), be happy that you’re alive and well. Show off that confidence! I buy stylish plus-sized clothing all the time, and I’ve yet to find something UNflattering! Ladies, look up Addition-Elle and Penningtons online. Yeah, they’re Canadian, but they ship to the US! The cater up to 6X if I’m not mistaken!

    Sincerely,
    A happy fat chick

  92. Skyfire says

    “You (sic) body is made up of millions of choices, bites, and behaviors.”

    My body is made up of cells, tissues and organs. It came through my mother and has her DNA and my father’s, and I embody all of their inheritable health states and those of my ancestors. My body is me. I am not wearing it like a suit; I cannot take off pieces of it and I wouldn’t just to suit anyone else. I am my body, it is not a puppet. The choices I make affect my body, mind and heart; but i don’t become them. I choose to love my body now, as it is. The high cholesterol and height I inherited from my mother, my father’s barrel chest, brown hair and eyes, the shape and size it is due to genetic baseline, my eating/exercise habits, weight cycling and giving birth. It is me and I love myself, and I will not wait until it meets some arbitrary size criteria before I decide it is worthy.

    And here, read this: http://www.uoguelph.ca/hhns/grad/pdf_grad/HBNS6710W08BlairandBrodney.pdf
    “active obese individuals actually have lower morbidity and mortality than normal weight
    individuals who are sedentary”

    and this: http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2011/12/06/fitness-weight-heart.html

    and this: http://thinkmuscle.com/health/obesity-health-metabolic-fitness/

    and watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aUaInS6HIGo

    Then post some sources of your own that indicate obesity causes illness. And I mean it when I say “cause”. There is no denying that some behaviors are healthier than others, but there is no evidence that it is weight and not those behaviors that cause health problems.

  93. Ember says

    i’m just thankful i have a man who loves me as i am and WANTS a woman with CURVES! He says it’s no fun looking for a handhold on a board.

  94. says

    I have been a size 8, I have been a size 18…I am somewhere around a 14 again. What are the reasons…improper diet at times, stress, inappropriate job for me, the big big one is Fibromyalgia. A chronic pain condition affecting my muscles, my sleep etc etc. It makes life difficult to function some days, very difficult. Some days I can hardly walk. It is hard to get proper exercise this way. Not to mention that I also have a size DD chest, even at the smallest size. I would love to wear stylish, well cut comfortable affordable clothing without having to search second hand or resale operations. I can find sweaters, simple long sleeve shirts…everything else is a crap shoot.

  95. Audrey B. says

    Some women are naturally thin- that would be me.
    I eat more than most that are twice my size and do gain an ounce.
    Health is what is important, not size, or a number on a scale.
    Criticism needs to end all together; criticism against people who are plump, and equally criticism against people who are thin.

    BMI says I am 30 lbs underweight. I am 5’8″ and weigh 112 lbs on most days- And I just had my third baby 4 months ago. And it is difficult not to allow others to make me feel shameful of my size or weight. Fact is my entire adult life, with the exception of being pregnant, I have always kind of fluctuated between 110-120. My pregnancy weights were 136 with the first, 147 with the second, and most recently 157.

    People come in all shapes and sizes. It is the heart and mind within that person that is of value.

    Post script… Just a quick fact of history: Ten years ago when model average size was between 12 and 18. Those sizes where different than what we think of today. A 12-18 size then is a 5-12 today. As manufacturers noticed the women’s fixation on size, they started dwindling the the size numbers. It was a marketing scheme as to fool women into thinking they were smaller than the other brands that they would have to wear a larger size in.

    Eat well, indulge in the sweeter things life has to offer, love yourself for who you are, and love others for they are.

  96. says

    Loretta Allen thank you for your beautiful post. I will be passing this on to other women young and old. As a mother and grandmother I have bounced my way up and down the scale due to pregnancy, back injury and now my most dreaded disease hypothyroidism. This has afforded me the experience of seeing how differently the world treats a woman based on their size. I have walked in the shoes of the thin, normal & obese. I know the prejudice shown to women who are heavy and the praise of being thin. In my younger years it was stated as if it was something great that I achieved when in reality it was the luck of the draw of my pre-pregnancy genes. The fashion industry does have some real responsibility in our views of ourselves but we as women also need to take responsibility to teach our young women the attitude expressed by Audrey Hepburn and speak out against the barbie images that women are contorting themselves to fit into regardless of the cost. TV shows such as the real housewives, the Kardashians and Jersey Shore are teaching young girls that being barbie doll thin with big fake boobs is beautiful. These shows support a narcissistic lifestyles that cheapens women and place a woman’s value on her looks not her talents or brains turning back all of the progress women have made in the past 30 years.

  97. Elaine U says

    I have been following this topic since it was posted and I am insulted and offended the women who are commenting about this website and the assertion that they, or more accurately, WE, are “promoting obesity”. These women are not the target audience here and the fact they think that it is their job to chastise us and yet again call us fat and uninformed and assume that we are somehow inferior to them, based on nothing more than body size, is infuriating! That train left the station years ago ladies. We are who we are, in all of our curvy glory, and we are strong, smart, healthy, beautiful, intelligent women. We love ourselves enough to stand up and demand respect and acceptance and fair treatment in all avenues, including fashion. So go a way skinny girls, this site is not an invitation for you to carry on with your mean girl comments and hate. I sincerely hope that you are not instilling your insecurities and body image issues in your daughters; I hope that you are teaching them to love themselves and that every single ounce of them is beautiful, no matter what the scale or a clothing size or a fashion magazine tells them.

  98. Diana says

    For the record, I range between size 18-22, even though I eat extremely healthy and exercise up to 15 hours a week. I haven’t eaten fast food in over 5 years. I have more stamina and strength than many thinner people. My doctor says my numbers all look good (cholesterol, blood pressure, etc.) At the same time, my mother has now lost so much weight from being in cancer treatment that she is now considered at a “healthy” weight.

    Weight and health are two separate things, folks.

    (Wish I could find more cute workout clothes in my size…would be easier for people to exercise if they could find cute workout clothes!)

  99. says

    For the clothing industry to not make clothing to fit everyone is a bit bias. People come in all shapes and sizes. That should be respected I agree.

    I do not agree with your statement – “We are bombarded with weight-loss ads every single day, multiple times a day because it’s a multi-billion dollar industry that preys on the fear of being fat.”

    I believe that We are bombarded with weight-loss ads every single day, multiple times a day beacuse our government, American Medical Association, Food And Drug Administration and physicians are making a killing. There is no money in well people. More and more chemicals are being placed in our foods causing people to become ill or gain weight beyond their control, more people are taking prescription medications that cause them to gain weight beyond their control. Fast food is one of the most convenient culprits of weigh gain around.

    Yes it is a multi-billion dollar industry, not preying on the fear of being fat, but just another money making scheme created by our own government to earn a few extra bucks. After all, these businesses are told to pay taxes & must purchase a business license to operate legally.

    Societies vision of beauty is a bit obscured, but there is nothing wrong with the way you are born. That is something you can not help. Beauty is not what’s on the outside. Beauty is held within.

    What you can do is take a more healthy approach to life. Grow your own foods when possible, Or Eat local grown organic foods. Take time to make time and ensure you know what you are putting in your body. Making healthy choices is easier and much less time consuming that today’s “Conveniently brainwashed” society thinks it is.

    Do research on any medications your physician is prescribing to ensure not only that you actually NEED it, but also that it is not going to cause you to become ill. Go one step further and seek homeopathic remedies instead.

  100. jill says

    I was a size 5 prior to having kids, I have ranged from a 12 to an 18, and after 4 c-sections clothes just don’t fit the same. I know my physic is due to some unhealthy eating habits as well as not enough exercise, however it would be nice to see some real woman in ads. I hate trying on an outfit that is advertised or on display, because it never looks that way. Woman have curves, and it is very hard finding a store that not only sells cute clothes, but also cute under attire as well. I mean just because we might have a larger size chest, does that mean that we can’t were cute bras? Its almost to the point where I completely dislike even shopping at all. Its nice to see someone addressing the issue.

  101. kourtney says

    im a big lady any where from a 24 to 28 depending on the make of cloths its not fair im only 22 id like to be able to wear cloths that are in style but most places think because your big you are only goin to want ugly cloths i want nice cloths that are in style and the only way i can do that is if i go to a store that is ment for big girls but then you have to spend alot just because we are big dont make us rich lol its so hard to find bras that fit since im a 48 DD and when i do find on its 50$ and for a simple shirt that migh be instyle i find myself spending anywhere from 50 to 70 $ yet u can go to a store like wal mart see the same kind of shirt for a small girl 5$ its really not fair

  102. Aobh Bliss says

    Plus size models aren’t PLUS size they are average size. Runway models are skin and bones folks who are there to make the CLOTHING look good, not to “model” a woman’s body. All this stuff is just insane!

  103. doug says

    I have been a professional photographer for over 35 years now and I have worked with models of all shapes and sizes.

    The one that stands out was a most amazing young woman who’s day job was an electrician and she was modeling to make some extra cash for her daughter.

    She was fit round and strong with just amazing curves and lines to her body and an amazing confidence that the camera loved.

    I could have worked with her for the rest of my life and never got tired of her shape.

    It is a photographers job to make a model look great, it is not the job of a model to make a photographer look competent.

  104. says

    I have never been below a size 14 my entire adult life. I used to live an extremely unhealthy lifestyle. I did drugs, I didn’t eat, I didn’t sleep. Two kids and almost 10 years later I am LUCKY if I fit into a 16, but fluctuate up and down upto 18/20. Not only is it hard to find extended widths being 5 ft 10 it is damn near impossible finding pants that fit me right. I am finally comfortable in my own skin. My happiness is my own responsibility, not the medias. We are all blessed in our own way. Some of us are divinely curvey, others gloriously thin. On that note: I happen to not be blessed with many pairs of pants I actually like.

  105. Julia says

    One angle on this is missing from the discussion… personal perception.
    I’m a woman of (ahem) some years, as in “I have three adult children”, and I’m now 5’7. I have weighed as much as 224, and, briefly, as little as 88. I stopped that particular diet only because my bff confided that everyone was sure I had cancer – at 19yo – but I still looked fat to *me*. I currently wear anywhere from a 7 to a 13 depending on brand, item and how closely it fits. (yes, juniors’ sizes; they fit me better because I have noassitol). I have NO idea what I look like; mirrors do not show my eyes what other people see. Given the clothing I see many other women wearing, I suspect I’m not the only one with this problem in one direction or the other.
    I know my self image is messed up, I know how it got that way (media was only part of the equation), and I know it isn’t going to change. I know the models are undersized; I was offered a contract as a plus-sized model when I was in my 30’s and weighed 138 – I was not auditioning, I was there for moral support of a young lady who WAS, and I’m pretty sure I was the smallest woman in the room. At that time, I was shocked. They made it clear that they were not interested in women who were actually the sizes they would be selling, blaming it on “the camera adds ten pounds”. Therefore, my task is to function within these parameters and still choose clothes that look acceptable on me.
    I find the concept of posting the model’s height and weight very helpful, because *I* cannot translate a size number (especially with vanity sizing) into a mental visual image to determine if I can expect that item will look anything like that on ME. I would like it very much if those models came in a larger variety of sizes, and when I was heavier, I would have very much appreciated some attention to tailoring for curves instead of the sack look.

  106. Stascia Horton says

    I am what the model industry would consider the appealing size, I wear a size 3. I hate being this small, I look like a teenager instead of a woman. I would much prefer to be heavier. My doctor would much prefer I be heavier. Men would much prefer I be heavier.
    Women are beautiful because of their curves, and while men may seem to find appeal of women in these ads and television and movies, when it comes down to picking a woman in the real world, they don’t choose the stick people.
    What makes every woman beautiful is that her shape is unique. You cannot squeeze every woman into some mold of some perceived perfect size, it is simply not practical.
    Our society needs to stop judging people by some unnatural persona of perfection and judge individual beauty on what makes each woman special. For some women it’s their breasts, others their legs, or maybe their buttocks, their midriff, their shoulders. Designers should focus on the appeal of different body types and allow a woman to accentuate what makes her beautiful.
    We should stop labeling sizes, that is what distorts the perception of what is beautiful, the labels.
    Body type should not be a fashion trend.

  107. Hidi says

    Are we moving towards that goal? We have made some progress but we have a long way to go.
    Are you being marketed effectively by the brands who want your dollars? No. All the clothing companies that offer plus size can do better.

    Side Note: After reading the comments, I notice people are really ignorant about size and health and eating disorders. People really need to do their research and analyze their data. It is not wise to talk about subjects that you are not well versed in. In addition, sound objective information is the best. There are a lot of junk science out there but I know people believe what they want and do not care about the truth.

  108. Juanita says

    I see a lot of “Neither extreme is healthy” comments which, is correct. Morbid obesity is as unhealthy as an anorexic/bulemia victim. But the problem here is this: All women are different. There are tall slim women who can’t get below a size 16 and there are short obese women who fit in the 20’s and above. The fashion industry is trying to hit a happy medium that can’t be found, but err on the side of what is “attractive”. Why are we allowing them to dictate to us what is and is not attractive?

  109. says

    It troubles me that articles like this completely gloss over the fact that obesity is an epidemic, that it is getting worse every year, and that it is directly related to the leading cause of death in this country (heart disease), in addition to a number of other ailments (diabetes and so on). Yes, models are much thinner than the average person, and are even much thinner than a normal healthy person (what few of those are left), and yes, that’s bizarre. However, it doesn’t justify a reactionary position that being as big as a Honda Civic is perfectly healthy. It’s not.

  110. Diane says

    “…it’s a multi-billion dollar industry that preys on the fear of being fat.” That statement contains the reason for the following and the following statement is the reason for the first one – interchangeable, really: …”because our government, American Medical Association, Food And Drug Administration and physicians are making a killing. There is no money in well people.” The two statements by different writers are related – cause-and-effect. If there is indeed a money-making scheme as alleged, it is successful because of people’s fears of being fat and the consequences of being so. There is no doubt in my mind that excess weight can cause health problems; it happened to me, and when I lost weight, my health improved. But the issue here is that the inspired fear is what leads to the never-ending cycle of weight loss and re-gain and the explosion of ever more diet plans, a part of our culture that will always be prominent. Our society’s lifestyle and habits will see to that.

  111. Some girl says

    Megan 7:40pm Jan 7 said, “There is no BMI category called, “anorexia.” it is called “underweight.” Anorexia is a mental health disorder and should not be confused with the BMi that is just a weight-to-height calculation.”

    Actually, if you look up the criteria for diagnosing anorexia, it’s basically being underweight and refusing to try to gain weight so, um yeah, most who are underweight fit that category. There are actually exceptions of people who are have a high metabolism or an extremely active lifestyle (Christina Aguilera AND all her dancers had this happen on a tour where they were having shows almost every night) where they may not be refusing to maintain a decent weight.

    Now, I struggle with my weight but this argument that people were built to be size 20 and more is crap. We were not made to work in offices and have food that all we do is put it in the oven. We were made to be living off the land, walking around picking fruits and vegetables and running after animals to capture and slaughter them for food. Now we have technology and it makes so many things easier for us. These are calories we are not burning through daily activities.

    Nevertheless, I’m sick and tired of hearing/reading online guys and skinny little girls tell me that girls are supposed to weigh about 110 pounds. They think only the tallest girls are allowed to be 130 or so. Well, 5-3 Shakira is 131 and not fat! The obsession with refering to thinner women as more in shape makes me mad! I’m 5-4, 160 pounds and size 12, I can run over 2 and a half miles without walking, just the other day I had an exchange with this girl online who is going into the Army. She has cheered and danced and thinks she’s in shape but her heart rate goes through the roof when she slow jogs barely above a brisk walk (4.5 to 5 mph) and she can’t stand it so much she doesn’t do more than 5 minutes. Thin does NOT equal healthy!!!

  112. Some girl says

    Oh and the weight loss ads are not a conspiracy by the government. They come from people/business who want to make money and they know that most, women especially, want to lose weight so there is money to be made in that industry. They are trying to “get theirs,” that’s all.

  113. Dr. Deah Schwartz says

    This is a wonderful and VERY important article and I applaud you for it! I write a size acceptance blog and honestly, each day I wish that the topic would become obsolete. The continued pressure on women (and now men) to conform to a one size fits all mentality is destructive. One piece I wrote is entitled, I’m a Perfect Size ME! http://www.leftoverstogo.com/2011/08/27/i-am-a-perfect-size-me/
    It took me years of work to get to the point where I am no longer yo yo-ing from diet to diet…just visiting the size 4 land temporarily. I am happier now and healthier! Please keep spreading the word of self and size acceptance.
    Warmly, Dr. Deah Schwartz, Leftoverstogo.com

  114. Ellen says

    What’s wrong with plus-sized women? They are fat. Fat is bad for us, it’s bad for the environment, it makes us drain societal resources for our extra health-care costs. Obesity is an illness that requires monumental effort to control, like alcoholism. In case you think I’m a fat-hater, I am fat myself. I have been skinny, I have been fat, I’m fat right now, and fight every single day against it. I have lost weight and cannot keep it off. I’m pretty good looking (in clothes), have a loving family and friends and a pretty wonderful life about which I can complain very little. I am very grateful. But I have bad genes, in terms of a tendency to love food too much, to have a weak will in general, to hate exercise, all of that. But I blame myself, and work every single day to be thinner, work out at least 5 days/week, run in races, walk everywhere, and I think everyone should. Fat people place burdens on themselves and on the rest of us. Life is not fair, and our burden is that they must work extra hard to control themselves, which is very very difficult. They, we, have to keep trying.

    Audrey B, I hate you.

  115. ARL says

    Here’s an obese woman’s applause for Audrey B.’s comment. I’m sick and tired of awareness for the big women (THAT WOMAN ON THE PICTURE ISN’T BIG, BY THE WAY!) and of people expecting me to dislike thin women. Because thin women aren’re people? They’re the devil?

    Can’t know if Audrey B. is right about the change in size labels – although it sounds about right – but fact is: 20 years ago, the average woman was substancially smaller than today, because obesity wasn’t an epidemic yet.

    I’m all for supporting all kinds of shapes, but when I see something that’s supposed to be in favour of big women, and then WHAM they slap a foto like that one up there, well then I just loose it!

  116. adam says

    Making the distinction and calling them “plus sized” probably has something to do with it. Stop distinguishing. They’re called “women”, not “thin women” or “fat women”.

  117. Lisa Santoro says

    We have to remember that the majority of designers are men who mostly are gay. Now I love and respect my gay brothers all over the world, love you love love love you all. However, the standard of what looks good to them is the flat bodies of the male structure. Even watching “Project Runway” one of the designers complained that the woman had breasts. How many times have we heard that clothes fall better on skinny bodies? So, as a fellow artist, who designs my own knitted garments that look awesome on my curves, can you break out of that thought square and live a little in the round? It’s a lovely place to be, and to think about how to accentuate an arc vs. a ruler.

  118. Editor-in-Chief, Madeline Jones says

    For those of you who think that we glossed over the Obesity Epidemic, here are my personal thoughts as editor of PLUS Model Magazine.

    There are all sorts of epidemics rights now which include cancer, auto immune diseases, and a myriad of eating disorders. We are not advocating an unhealthy lifestyle, but the right to have as many fashion options as the next size 2, 6 or 8 woman.

    This is not about health vs non healthy women because if that was so, MOST of the models on the runways in NY and Paris would not be walking. Not eating for DAYS at a time can’t be healthy but I don’t see anyone proclaiming how unhealthy it is and yanking them off the runway and denying them fashion.

    This blog post is about those plus-size women who do embrace their size and want to be treated, marketed to and accepted as equals!

  119. deborah says

    I think being plus size is great and all, Wooh-Hooh to my gut! yes but we ignore the fact that when being used for advertisements companies want to appeal to the audience attention by using someone thin and pretty to create productions of media and we as a society can identify who is beautiful and who is not. The fashion industry creates these images when they publish their collections in magazines and through celebrities and get identified as “snobby rich” people . The fashion industry is a unique and selective group of people who are superficial and believe in thinness and designer clothing. These fashion trends then get passed on through less expensive store and that trend follows with us middle/working class.

    We as a middle class society would have to completely ignore the trends and set aside our own beauty sense and feel beautiful for who we are and not what you see on magazines and movies. Girls in any sort of Hi-end media will look beautiful from a created vision of mostly liking men who run those communication barrens. (just saying)

    I believe with Americas rapid growth in body mass retailers will start to order larger sizes, I see them all the time..

    <3

  120. deborah says

    I think being plus size is great and all, Wooh-Hooh to my gut! yes but we ignore the fact that when being used for advertisements companies want to appeal to the audience attention by using someone thin and pretty to create productions of media and we as a society can identify who is beautiful and who is not. The fashion industry creates these images when they publish their collections in magazines and through celebrities and get identified as “snobby rich” people . The fashion industry is a unique and selective group of people who are superficial and believe in thinness and designer clothing. This is who they simply are though and we let this “dream world” sink so much in our head that we lose our own self. These fashion trends also get passed on through less expensive store and that trend follows with us middle/working class.

  121. Normal guys says

    Simple answer to this article. What is wrong with plus side bodies, most guys dont like them/want them. Physically there is nothing heath wise that is wrong with a average size – plus size woman, but if you ask a man if he wants a skinny or plus size woman, I would bet that the skinny girl gets more votes.

  122. VHanson says

    Why are these models even labeled as Plus? Do we call thin models Boney? Is there a Boney Model Magazine? Why OH Why can’t we celebrate women of all different shapes & sizes? And BOOOO to the magazine editors (i.e. Anna Witnour) for perpetuating the idea that curves are somehow ugly or undesireable!

  123. Mary says

    I hate it when I’m watching TV and I see a commercial with an anorexic girl modeling a really cute outfit, because I know I can never wear it. I end up turning off the TV knowing that there will just be more commercials with size zero girls on them. Shopping is really difficult too. There is never anything in my size, and if there is, I wouldn’t ever wear it because it’s not me. Now most of my clothes are either hand made by family, or hand-me-downs from my cousin, because it’s just so hard finding clothes I fit in. And here’s a news flash for reality, I may be bigger than your stick figure models, but I feel better about myself because at least I’m not purging because I feel bad about my weight. And i can eat how I want because I’m not worried about whether or not I’ll gain an ounce. I’m proud to be heavier. And so are a lot of my friends. You can tell us how you think we should look, but we’re never gonna listen because your girls might fit into the latest fashions, but we’re getting the guys who won’t break our hearts. So chew on that. Or are there too many calories?

  124. Jenna says

    I see many folks commenting on the model and ad section of the article. However, what really struck me was the fact that 50% of women wear 14 or above, but very few stores cater to these women. As a plus size woman myself for years I have complained about the fact that I had to go to a “special” store to purchase clothes, or a completely different section of a department store hidden behind the bedding section. In a professional career it has been especially difficult to find suits and proper attire that doesn’t look like my grandmother’s couch. Wake up make us feel like people, expand options at clothing stores.

  125. Mangomadness says

    I won’t make any comments regarding the ethics of model size, but I want to be clear about your statistics, because they seem misleading. You say, “Twenty years ago the average fashion model weighed 8% less than the average woman. Today, she weighs 23% less.” Twenty years ago, women weighed about 20lbs less on average (144 instead of 164). If the average model weighs 108-125 (let’s say 125), then even if the model’s weight hasn’t changed, in 1990, she would have weighed 13% less than average women in 1990, and 24% less now. That has nothing to do with the models’ weight.
    Second, you say that plus sized models are about 3 sized smaller than they were 20 years ago.However, since 1990, sizes have been scaled down. What used to be a size 10 is now labeled 4 or 6. So even the same size 14 model from twenty years ago would have gone down two or three sized without having gotten any smaller!
    Therefore, based on your data, models have only gotten about 5% smaller by body weight, which is 5 or 6 lbs.

  126. lively observer says

    Everyone should strive to be healthy. Part of being healthy for me means having to be a vegetarian. It seems to me that hating designers for not catering to the needs of the overweight would mean I should also being hating a restaurant, or the supermarket for not catering to the vegetarians (they do carry meats of all varieties that I have to look at every time – and most restaurants would use the same grill for steaks as they would veggies). Come on guys! If we don’t like a restaurant, we don’t go there. This is asking the designer to design something to fit you as opposed to something congruent with their vision, which is like asking Michalengo not to paint the Sistine Chapel because you think the Last Judgement would not be enjoyed should people have to crook their necks to see it. Gain some perspective or people are not going to hear what you’re actually trying to say.

    No one is denying anyone of fashion, this concept is archaic at very least. Shame on your editor for her closed mindedness. Clearly Plus is capable of styling over 5 years of issues, which means the clothes are out there.
    Speaking of past issues, the size difference between august 2009 and October 2011 is comparable to what separates a size 4 from a size 14, yet you are classifying them both as “plus”. There are so many more health issues at hand from improper eating than being too under or too over weight. One could be happily average, but have ruined internal organs from malnutrition rendering them as unhealthy as the over and under weighters.

    Focus on health and happiness of body and mind. Be the person you want to be. We are all capable of change should we choose it.

  127. Celeste says

    Lively observer: that analogy is not a good one. A vegetarian is a minority in the food world. (I was a vegan and a vegetarian so I know what it’s like). Plus sized women are NOT a minority in the women’s clothing market. Actually if 50% of the restaurants catered to vegetarians (and vegetarians don’t make up 50% of the U.S. and Canada’s eaters for sure) they would go out of business. Yet, 50% of the women in the U.S.A. wear a size 14 or larger and that makes women that size half of the population, NOT a minority. If we were only 10% of the population then it would be understandable that most of the clothes are not designed for “plus” sizes.

    As far as artistic/creative vision, it’s true that we cannot dictate what inspires the designer. However we can walk with our wallets and patronize those stores that do create and market nice fashions. I have not read this website before and I don’t read ANY women’s magazines because I don’t like the cheesy superficial stories and the fake looking models, so I’m unaware of where those stores are. I happened to find this article only because someone posted it on my FB page. Maybe the stores that do market nice plus size clothing should start putting up FB pages and that way the word will get out and we can stop spending our money at stores that make cheap ugly clothes for plus size women (and charge MORE for it) and also refuse to advertise it on more shapely models. I currently wear size 12-14 in my middle age so it is not that hard for me, but I definitely sympathize with the bigger women, especially younger women (20s and 30s) who want to look their age and not like a middle aged woman or a grandma.

  128. Rachel says

    I was excited when I saw the title and premise of this article…but as usual there is promotion of the idea that ALL body types exist and should be appreciated. People look at me with clothes on and assume I have an eating disorder, in a bikini they see I just (genetically) am predisposed to have this body type. I have had less than an A cup since puberty and it doesn’t look like anything will be growing there in my thirties. I was called bulimic before I knew what it meant. Lately in all of the fitness magazines I read, I see the phrase “Real women have curves.” News to me, my grandmother and all the other women on my dad’s side of the family. I think all sizes can be beautiful as long as they are healthy. Thin, Lean, Curvacious, Voluptuous, Statuesque, Sporty….women come in ALL sizes. The supermodels I have seen recently to a full regime of high-intesity low-impact cardio to maintain lean frames. (Yes, the runway industry is a culprit of what this article described and so is the ballet industry I was so genetically suited for…..) But the answer to over skinny, is not taking the extreme on the other side but accepting EVERY woman’s body type. Some of us are “boy-shaped.” I cried the first time I heard that, or “The wall’s getting jealous.” So, since I don’t fit this new ideal do I need to go get breast implants and butt injections? There is no reason to dictate to a society what is acceptable in appearance. The answer is teaching acceptance of all. There is nothing wrong with anyone’s body as long as they are healthy, active and happy.

  129. Danielle says

    Change needs to happen in the food that we eat and the chemicals we put into our bodies. We keep getting bigger and bigger and YES OF COURSE IT’S UNHEALTHY! As much as I want to support any argument against anorexic models, this one just doesn’t hold water. A size 16 today is about a size 8 30 years ago. I for one do NOT think it’s okay to tell women, it’s okay to be unhealthy, we’ll just show you bigger models and bigger clothes. ???!!!!?? I think it’s clear the difference between average model size and average female size is not b/c the models have gotten smaller. It’s because middle america has gotten more and more unhealthy. Do I think everyone has to be a size 2? Absolutely not. Do I think it’s okay to tell women to embrace their size 14 because it’s the AVERAGE? Heck no.

    Signed,
    A plus size woman trying to get HEALTHY :)

  130. laura ashley says

    Love the comments!! Lots of excellent points to consider.

    This may be a social issue on one extreme, but 50% of women being a size 14+ is (in part) a health issue on the other end of the spectrum. And that presents a struggle and the conflicting messages contribute to many insecurities and eating disorders – IMO speaking from my personal experience.

  131. Katie McKay says

    I find it absolutely ridiculous that the model in the picture above is considered a “plus size” model. She is gorgeous and looks so healthy. I think that numbers on a scale don’t matter but there is a difference between healthy and skinny as well as healthy and curvy. Both anorexia and obesity are a problem; which is why its so important to eat healthy and exercise. However, all women are created differently, some are hourglass shaped, some pear shaped, and some are straight up and down like a ruler. There is no, “one size fits all” weight for a certain height or body type. Women need to learn to embrace their bodies and respect themselves. “God created man in his own image,…male and female he created them….God saw all that he had made, and it was very good.” (Genesis 1:27-31)

  132. Brittany says

    I’m a plus sized women around a size 18/20 and rather large framed. I have been in this size forever no matter my weight! I’m working on becoming healthier, but let’s face it, if it were easy everyone would be healthy. I generally have a great body image, but the constant bombardment of super skinny models can be hard on self esteem. I think personally there is nothing wrong with Plus Size models, healthy is different for everyone and girls today NEED healthy role models. I find it funny that some claim this magazine promotes obesity, well I say they promote eating disorders and poor self image. Oh and as for the comment that men don’t like bigger girls, that’s SO not true! My boyfriend of 3 years is actually pretty fit, and absolutely loves me for the way I am! So, girls find a man that loves you for you..through thick and through thin..

  133. Mimi says

    Thank you Audrey for your comment!
    I saw this link on facebook, and had to add my two cents to this interesting discussion.

    I was a model from age 16-18, but have since left the industry to focus on college. I am very thin and 6’0″. I think in the attempt to bring awareness to more “normal” body types, we have become all too accepting of putting down the typical body of a model. Models are called “unnatural,” “gangly,” and “anorexic.” However, most models are very young and have not fully developed, or are naturally thin. At age 16, I was 5’11” and 120 pounds. My BMI classified me as underweight. (No, I am NOT that skinny anymore. I have just barely made it into the normal range.)

    I remember after one runway show, a photographer tagged a picture of me on facebook. A women commented on the picture saying, “Beautiful dress, but the model is TOO skinny!!!” I was humiliated, and I remember crying, and wondering why a grown woman would make a comment like that about a young girl who was clearly able to read her comment. I was a young, self-conscious, impressionable teenager, but no one seemed to care that I might have feelings too.

    Instead of judging people by their appearance, why can’t we understand that some people are naturally skinny and some are naturally curvy. As long as you are healthy and happy, it shouldn’t matter what size you are. I was healthy then, and I am healthy now. My friend is a size 12, and she too is gorgeous and healthy. I guess my point is, just as we shouldn’t put down a heavier woman, neither should we put down a thin woman. Personally, I understand why fashion designers and photographers want thin models, since I have experienced the industry. Instead of focusing on replacing seemingly “too thin” or “anorexic” models with more normal, “curvy” models, why don’t we focus on being accepting of ALL body types. (I do agree we could use more variety in models, but not just in size – in conventionality of beauty and ethnicity as well.)

    I feel like I’m constantly hearing the mantra, “Curvy is beautiful. Men WANT curves.” Shouldn’t it be: “Every woman is beautiful. Men WANT a woman to be herself.” ?

  134. smorg says

    Ok, genius’ here – the AMA, govt., doctors, or anyone else you want to be paranoid about, do NOT make money if they promote weight loss and educate the public about the health risks with our children and adults becoming more obese by the minute. If “their” advertising campaign worked and everyone lost weight and was healthy – they’d be poor, and no one would see them for help. So your illiterate theory contradicts itself. If they wanted to make money, they’d make sure we all got super obese and had heart disease. The dieting industry is mostly fad products promoted by private companies. There are few diet drugs on the market, and they don’t make money because they don’t usually work in the long term.

    Also, please take responsibility for YOUR eating habits. Medications do not make you fat, EATING too much and not exercising does. If you are on a med that increases your appetite (and there are very few that do this), you need to be aware and have some self discipline. I love it when people find any scape goat to hide the fact that too many calories in and not enough being burned equates to an over weight body. Just plain and simple math. Eat too much = overweight.

    And not taking medications that are needed for illnesses, being paranoid that your doctor, a person that spent their lives devoted to studying the human body and how to heal it are “out to get you,” (as well as other govt. conspiracies) and relying on yet another BILLION dollar industry, the whacko, totally unregulated, processed in third world country crap that is in health food products, holistic products and some natural remedies is just plain ignorant.

    Please, just keep it simple – you don’t need magic powders from India or a pound of garlic pills to stay healthy, and rest assured it won’t cure your cancer – that billion dollar industry relies on people that will buy ice from eskimos..Eat a well balanced diet, low in saturated fats, and simple sugars and high in WHOLE foods, i.e. the kind that came from the ground or a tree or a plant – not from a jar or a hippy health food store, and exercise – and you will stay healthy outside of things we can’t control like what ailments we inherit. Take meds when you need them though. And FYI doctors don’t make a “killing” anymore..those days are well over. If you want someone or something to attack, look at the health insurance industry and healthcare administers salaries instead. Even still, just because someone makes more money than you, doesn’t always mean they are on a mission to destroy the world or yours or that they automatically have ill intentions.

  135. Dr. Deah Schwartz says

    V Hanson’s comment is perfect. Thank you for that!!!
    Warmly, Dr. Deah Schwartz, leftoverstogo.com

  136. Elizabeth C says

    Firstly, te main idea of this article is that women who wear a size fourteen or larger want more stylish clothing choices. Women of ALL shapes and sizes want clothes that do not look like they belong on your curtain rod.
    Now as a plus size woman myself I concede that if you are overweight/obese (obese being having a BMI of 30 or higher) if you suffer from other comorbities it DOES pose serious health risks/diseases increasing your risk of heart disease,, stroke, heart attack or diabetes. Now, if you are let’s say a size ten and you don’t have any of these health problems nor do you have extra visceral fat surrounding your internal organs and your doctor says you are healthy then there is no reason whatsoever for you to feel bad about being your size. It is a fact that a person can have a normal BMI and fat surrounding their internal organs which is not healthy.
    As other people have pointed out, yes Americans today are more dependent on technology therefore making Americans unhealthier every year. We as a nation need to eat less processed foods and get more physical activity. Another historical fact is that Americans used to walk ten thousand steps a day in their normal lives…the average American is lucky to get three thousand steps a day. Here’s a thought for you on that, how many times do you see people’s circle a parking lot looking for the spot closest to an entrance as opposed to parking farther away and walking?
    I guess my long winded point is if a PERSON who is overweight/obese has been deemed otherwise healthy aside from excess body weight, who are we as a society to judge that person? And please, if you are not a man or a lebsian, please don’t tell us what is or isn’t attractive because every person has their own idea of what is attractive or beautiful? And after all, who doesn’t want to feel beautiful?

  137. Denise Duffield-Thomas says

    It’s very important to support companies that do cater for all sort of women, not just the thin ones.

    There is a brand in Australia called Katies that does the most amazing jeans, totally designed to flatter curves. I shouted them from the rooftops and told all my friends (normally I wouldn’t do things like that) and I made sure to write on their Facebook wall to say thanks.

    Vote with your dollars. I hadn’t bought a new pair of jeans in four years – when I found these ones and felt like a company actually designed something for me – I bought FOUR PAIRS from them.

    Money talks.

  138. Meg says

    Dear Mimi,

    I am sorry, but your comment absolutely set me on edge. What you say about the industry is what is wrong with the industry. The fashion industry uses barely developed girls – your words, roughly – to market to fully developed women. And then we all hate ourselves for not being built like the 16 year old painted to look 25! That is sick!

    You also say you understand why they want to use thin girls. Please, enlighten us as to why. Less fabric? Is that it? Or is it that deep down they all believe *thinner women look better in clothes*? Well, guess what? This size 16 is sick of all that shit! And I am sick of being subtley brainwashed into thinking that I am not “good enough” to wear “pretty clothes” because I am not naturally thin – like a model.

    The fashion indsutry can kiss my round ass.

  139. says

    Youth is beautiful in any silhouette– thin, medium, heavy. But aging is not pretty. What I’d like to see is plus sized models (speaking of myself) who are 48 and up! Why stop at pretty and young, and abundant, put in abudnance of age, too.

  140. says

    About 4 years ago,I started a “plus size,any size,average people styled …” modelling agency with a photographer friend of mine in Toronto.We named it Click models IN Canada, a few months later I had an agency in the US saying I could not use that name and threatened to sue us. The funny thing is that they did NOT offer PLUS size models AT ALL and I felt we started something! and we did, CBC the National picked up the story and it went all over Canada, months later ALL of these agencies then starting USING plus models. I wanted to create a hype and I feel I did. For those of you who want to read the article, go to
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2007/03/14/calgary-models.html
    It goes to show us all that WE CAN make a change and I am happy to see PLUS magazine around which proves my point that we are all beautiful, JUST the way we are!

  141. Ann Marie Krahulec says

    What bothers me the most about retail stores is that they have their plus size aka women’s sizes posted next to the maternity wear. Being six foot tall, it is hard enough finding clothes that fit me correctly but it really hurts to pick up a sexy dress or blouse only to look at the tag and it says “Mother Wear” or “Maternity For You.” Seriously? My other beef is that women’s clothes are often marked up higher than their exact same junior wear counterparts. Are you seriously going to tell me that the extra fabric it look to make my garment is $10-$20 more than the one that is just a few isles down? And the mannequins in the stores; really; really you actually think that some of those baggy sweaters are really calling out my name? Wake up retail. Women have more disposable income and we don’t have to ask permission to use it. I don’t want to hide my shape under baggy clothes or splatter my body with fake glitter on a t-shirt. I want high quality clothes that I can use in all parts of my life, not just the gym.

  142. Erica says

    There are so many wonderful comments regarding this article and I hope you will appreciate mine as well. I have been a “big girl” my whole life, steadily increasing in size as I’ve aged. I’m now 31 and am planning a family. It is very important to me that my children know what it is to have healthy, active parents. I have been seriously looking at my life these past few months and making changes that will accomplish that goal.

    However, I have an overall sense of “fat pride” from some of the other comments and while I have always been fairly confident in who I am, I think that it needs to stop being an issue of BIG vs. LITTLE and become an issue of healthy living and well being. If we are living healthy life styles and giving our bodies what they need, while indulging our minds on occasion, then we will be the size we’re supposed to be and the clothing industry just needs to accept that.

    That being said, I have been exercising and eating right, and by extension losing weight. I have also been applying a “stop talking about it and just do it ” mentally to every aspect of life from my job to my home to my marriage to my own mind and you know what? My house and desk are cleaner, we are putting in a garden and landscaping our yard, we are making healthier food choices and spending our time together being more active, and best of all my husband and I are happier!

    I had to accept that regardless of my size I was loved and those that loved me didn’t care if I was big or little, I had to be happy with me! A friend saw me the other day and said “Wow you look fantastic, the best you have ever looked. What are you doing?” I replied “I’m living life the way it was meant to be lived.” “But you’ve lost so much weight, what’s the secret?” “No secret, just good clean fun.” It doesn’t matter what size you are or what the big bad marketers tell us we need to be or look like. We need to be who we are and be ok with it. If you aren’t, only you can change it.

    At my heaviest I was knocking on a size 26, now I’m happily wearing 18/20’s, I look better in my clothes and shopping is much more fun, not because some advertisement tells me so but because I FEEL better. It really comes down to how you feel about yourself, I’ve always put on a confident front but in reality I needed to be comfortable in my own skin and comfortable with where and how my life was moving forward, that’s what I have now! If that means I will continue to lose weight and get smaller, so be it. If not, then the marketers of the world can just kiss my ass!

  143. Mary says

    eezzed,

    Your hatred and bigotry – let’s call it what it is – shows not only a lack of empathy for your fellow human beings but also a lack of understanding of obesity and eating disorders. For the record – and you can ask any reputable doctor about this and they’ll tell you – obesity is not caused by an eating disorder every time, all the time. And when it is caused by an eating disorder, it is true that it is psychologically and emotionally based. What is also true is those problems are more likely than not caught up with shame. So, you know, this whole idea you seem to have, that fat people should be ashamed, that they are selfish, etc, etc – is counter-productive. So if you truly care about the “obesity epidemic,” perhaps you should rethink your methods of expressing that concern. Especially when you seem to need to come to a website of a publication that is marketed specifically to the demographic you seem so intent on shaming.

  144. Scarlett says

    I find it quite funny that so many women are going on about how they love their bodies and that others should accept their bodies and how all bodies can be beautiful, but then continue on to bash those who are skinny. I’m fine with a woman being overweight, although it seems like a serious case of denial when every obese woman tries to claim she’s still “healthy”, but I guess that’s not my business. And then in the same breath, half of you are going on about how girls are “too skinny” and unattractive and unhealthy. Seems like you’re defeating your own plight. Saying someone’s “too thin” is just as insulting as saying someone’s “too fat”. Or as someone so gracefully put it, “it’s no fun looking for a handhold on a board.” Really ladies? Do you think that’s an appropriate thing to say? If I said something about a large woman being sexually unfit, would that be okay? If we can be beautiful and healthy at a large size and we can blame it on genetics, shouldn’t the same be true of a small size? Personally, I know it varies depending on the individual. Just as there can be a size 18 woman who’s healthy and in shape, there can be a size 2 woman who’s not starving herself and is equally beautiful. Personally, I refuse to cater to the standard excuses. I’ve gained weight while I was pregnant, and then worked my butt off to lose it. I just recently battled with thyroid cancer, and over the entire process I did put on about 40 pounds, despite a healthy diet and regular exercise. But once it was over with, I realized the whole thyroid excuse wouldn’t last forever, I sucked it up and lost the weight. Now I’m back to a happy, healthy size 8, which is pretty much middle of the road. And on top of this, I come from a family of large women. In fact, I’m probably the smallest in my family. I also choose not to live the same lifestyle as that of my family members.

    My point is that you can’t place blame on anyone but yourself. Yes, it’s hard work. If you choose not to do the work that’s perfectly fine, but don’t expect the world to cater to you. Also, I’m completely for loving yourself and your own body. I don’t think you should let your body keep you from happiness or self acceptance. But if you truly believed that women can be beautiful no matter the size, than you wouldn’t have a problem with a very thin woman being praised as beautiful as well. I’ve seen gorgeous size 20 women, and gorgeous size 0 women, and gorgeous size 10 women. Don’t go on about bodily love if your love only extends to one side of the spectrum. Don’t insult thin women just because they’re thin, it really just shows your own insecurity.

    And one more note. I’ve seen Marilyn Monroe mentioned a couple of times in this thread. Yes she was a size 14, but it wasn’t in her “heyday”. She was a size 14 when she was at her heaviest, and despite what many of you seem to think, she caught a lot of flack about it and lost the weight pretty quickly. Not to mention size were different back then. A size 14 then would be roughly a size 8 or 10 today. Sorry to burst the bubble, but even in the golden age of Hollywood, Tinsel Town wasn’t down with a larger sex symbol.

  145. Anne says

    Promoting a positive body image in women….while showing a blatantly computer edited, air brushed picture of a model. The hypocrisy is suffocating.

  146. Nora says

    What’s important is your health. Go to the doctor and tell the him/her you want to get healthy. Insist that you have your cholesterol, thyroid, and heart checked (ultrasound), determine if you have the MTHFR genetic defect (most doctors don’t know about this). If you do, the doctor should put you on methylated folic acid and methylated B12. This will help with your energy and mental state. Get a sleep study done. Insist on it. Again most doctors don’t know enough about it to suggest it. If you have sleep Apnea or sleep obstruction, no matter what you do you won’t be able to get healthy. Go to a nutritionist. Let them help you to start eating correctly. Start to exercise, walk to the end of the block and back if that’s all you can do. Your stamina will increase. Don’t let anyone say you are weak because you can’t do this on your own. It’s easier to do this with a group. Have supportive people around. Remove those people from you life that bring you down. Getting healthy may take 1-2 years or longer. Every day you are able to more in a forward direction toward health, no matter how small, you will feel better. And remember some days you will fall off the horse, that’s when you need people to help you get back on and more forward. Put yourself as a priority. Nora

  147. areader says

    right. so, i was morbidly obese. i am now in the overweight range. i’ve come to a few realizations about this whole body image thing. it’s all in your attitude. but let’s talk about health for a moment. when doctors take the Hippocratic oath, they’re not saying “i’ll tell people they are ugly if they are too fat and make them feel bad about themselves” . all those registered dieticians did not go into the field so they could make money by telling people they were fat and should feel bad about themselves, but because they might actually know what they are talking about and want to help people.

    if this article is saying you should feel pretty at any size, fine. but don’t tell me you’re obese and healthy. we have a twisted sense of what healthy is in this country and an even more twisted sense of what people are allowed to say about it. for example: why can’t i tell you that i’m worried about you because you eat too much and have gained an awful lot of weight in the past year…i just care about you as a friend. no, it’s totally fine to tell someone they’ve lost too much weight and you care about their health, but god forbid i should point out that you’re going to kill yourself with too much food, rather than too little.
    seriously. with all of today’s advances in the medical industry, don’t you think the BMI scale would have changed? it hasn’t. probably there is a reason for that. you’re probably just feeling bad about your choices. put down the latte. pick up the tea and get your ass on a treadmill, because you are the problem. not the fashion industry. not the doctors. stop looking for a scapegoat.

  148. Karla R says

    I have been over weight all my life. In fact my mother told me that my pediatrician told her when I was just 3 days old that I was too heavy and she needed to be careful how much she fed me. It has been a real struggle to learn to love myself because I have literally been told my entire life that I am simply just not good enough because I’m fat (I’m 42).

    The fact is that I am good enough and my weight does not define who I am.

    Those making comments about plus size being a health issue has no place in this forum as that is not the issue here. The issue is that no one should be made to feel inferior because of what you look like. That is what plus size people are fighting for. That is what is happening in the media. A person’s health is their own concern and for no one else to judge or decide for them.
    We live in a world where perfection is admirable and desired. Women are constantly fighting with themselves to obtain this so called “ideal.” But what would happen if we understood that beauty is not perfection nor an ideology but a reality that resides in all women.

  149. pat says

    The reason for the lack of structure and design in plus size clothing is because it is more difficult. A woman’s body has a basic shape and in smaller sizes that shape is generally maintained in a standard proportion but once a woman starts to gain weight that shape is distorted. Weight gain isn’t uniform, so every woman ends up a different large shape. In order to produce large quantities of clothes a designer and store have to go with the style that will fit the most people and for overweight people it tends to be shapeless and unstructured. To this end, smaller women with long torsos or large breast or the like have difficulty finding clothes because they, too, do not fit the standard proportions.

  150. Dawn Meeks says

    I had received a Just My Size sweater for Christmas from my girl friend and at first I was mad and offended. And that is the fault of fashion magazines and television for drilling it into my head for 30+ years that anything over size 5 is considered fat. She keeps telling me I am not fat and I am trying very hard to deprogram my way of thinking. Everyone is beautiful in their own way. And it ills me that when I shop for clothing I can’t find a size to fit me correctly. I tried Lane Bryant. I have a Lane Bryant butt, but not Lane Bryant boobs. I am tired of searching high and low. I found the best way to find clothes that fit is to go to the local thrift store. They have more selection! Go figure. ;)

  151. says

    Anorexia is a serious mental health disorder, not a category on the BMI. It would’ve been just as easy, and far more accurate, to say that most models are underweight according to the BMI. Anorexia and underweight are not interchangeable terms.

  152. blahdisisbs says

    When I posted this article on a modeling website, people weren’t happy. Know this about Plus Size Models in the Industry. I am talking about the ones that don’t go in the stores and buy Plus Sized fashions and model the fashions we wear and the photographers that shoot them. They don’t like Plus Sized Women. They think you are promoting obesity. They don’t like the way you look. They think you don’t take care of yourself. They are not supportive of fat acceptance, body acceptance, or the plus size consumer movement. If you wear a size 20 or larger they think it is not normal. They think models that are a size 20+, don’t exist. Or, if they do they are only used to be made fun of. They think you should be a size 6 to 16 to be a Plus Size Model and 5’9” and over. When you promote them and buy clothes from vendors that use their sizes, you are putting money in their pockets? Why put money in pockets for people that just laugh at who you are?

    No I don’t agree with the reverse bashing in the article, but what I read on the modeling site about plus sized women and what happened to me after I posted it. I am done with shoppng with vendors who use women that can’t even fit into our clothes, or use the models who make fun of others. It might not be everyone, but I know who is.

  153. Disturbed says

    Admittedly, I did not read every single comment about this article. However, I read enough to see how absolutely silly some of them are. I saw a link to this article on Facebook, with comments praising it so I decided to take a look. As you can probably imagine, the praise was to the effect of “I’ve always thought models were too skinny.” and “How great that bigger women are being encouraged to accept themselves!”

    Even if that is not the message the articled intends to send, I think it’s fairly apparent that it’s the message the majority of larger women see. It then DOES become more about the “fat vs. thin” argument and “weight vs. health”, doesn’t it? It becomes something that validates them.

    I am a thin person, with a very petite frame. I’m quite short, small-breasted, nearly hip-less and have a short torso. I have never tried to be thin by starving myself or dieting. I used to be able to eat whatever I wanted with no regard to weight gain, but coming from a family where 9 out of 10 women are quite overweight, I also realized that I can’t do that forever as eventually it may cause me to also be unhealthily overweight. I don’t diet, but I do try to eat in a healthy manner (and not to stay thin, actually, as I lose weight much too easily) because heart disease runs in my family. I’ve been accused of having an eating disorder, even by strangers! While that is frustrating, I realize that my thin appearance is something that might make someone wonder. I try to eat enough calories to maintain a healthy weight, which would mean gaining at least ten pounds (a good bit on such a small person), but it proves difficult to eat that much food. I also struggle with an anxiety disorder (no, not an eating disorder) and I think that probably compounds my trouble with gaining/maintaining weight.

    I have a lot of trouble finding clothing that fits properly simply because I’m so small, and even stores to who Petite sizing carry very little clothing in very few styles. Trying to find an affordable bra is nearly impossible due to the oddball size (32B, where most stores may carry only a few 32A and 34A, and most sizes are 34B and up). Shirts don’t fit properly, skirts usually have flares where my hips ‘should’ be but actually end up on my thighs. Pant waistbands are too high unless I buy very low rise, and the crotch is most knits is much too long. My point here is that, even though I find it very difficult to find clothing and can be frustrating, I don’t expect stores to cater to my sizing because I understand that I fall into the minority and it’s more economical for brands to design clothing to fit certain proportions. If that is the case, then why should they be expected to cater to the larger women who are just as difficult to fit properly, either? That is exactly why specialty stores exist for both plus size and petite. They don’t have to work on carrying the mid-sizes while still trying to fit those of us who have very different proportions (some overweight women have small breasts and large hips, some petite women have large breasts and small hips, etc).

    Since so much of the response to this article has turned to how unfair it is to be judged for one’s weight and how weight affects health, I will say this. While it’s true that overweight women are quickly becoming the average, I think it’s impractical to expect those who don’t fall into that category to subscribe to the growing number of trite excuses for said obesity. True, a small percentage of people really DO have health issues that cause them to gain weight easily, or have a harder time losing it, or that prevent them from exercising in order to facilitate weight loss.

    Let’s get real, here, ladies. MOST overweight people do NOT have these issues. In fact, I wonder if the ones who do have them find it insulting when they hear the majority spout such non-sense as it sort of makes them look bad, doesn’t it? It is a deterrent to helping other people understand that the minority actually do have legitimate health issues causing their weight loss.

    I’ve seen comments that imply (or blatantly state) that because I’m not overweight, I should not dare to read this article or have an opinion. I guess, then, since those people aren’t thin, they should not dare to talk about the thin people they hate so much.

    If you want to argue that I say that because I don’t know the “plight” of being overweight firsthand, I will tell you about what I see the women (and the men!) in my family eat/do/not do which very obviously DOES cause their weight problems, as well as their high blood pressure, diabetes and heart disease. They eat the wrong foods, or the wrong portions, and do not put in the work that it may take for them (depending on their natural metabolism, etc) to maintain a healthy weight. And yes, some women are still healthy at a larger size, but that size usually will not reach beyond an 18.

    If this article is stating that plus sized models are unrealistic in comparison to the average plus size woman, that is probably true, but it is also true that if you have a very large foot, you will require a brand who specializes in very large shoes. The difference is that, while a small percentage of plus size women can not help their body size any more than a person with a large foot can help the size of their feet, the majority of plus size women simply do not want to do what is necessary to maintain a healthy (and what used to be the average, even without starvation) weight (thinking Marilyn Monroe here, as she was not scrawny but was not large in her popular days).

    We live in a society that encourages us to have poor opinions of drug and alcohol addiction, or sexual issues, or extreme mental health problems, yet tells us that saying someone eats too much is wrong because it’s hurtful. If someone can say I’m crazy because I have anxiety and that is considered socially acceptable and even as a light way of putting it (I do not take offense to the term, by the way), or that I’m too thin, then why is it unacceptable for me to state that they are fat without having a swarm of overweight people tell me I don’t “accept them” as they are? Why is it fine for an overweight person to call a drug addict a junkie and think of that as a negative thing to be as it’s unhealthy and stressful for the people who love them, yet it’s “uncouth” to call an overweight person (who obviously does not have health issues to cause obesity fat) and find it to be a negative thing because it’s unhealthy (generally speaking, though some mildly overweight people can be fit as anyone else) and is stressful for the people who love them?

    I think what MOST of the posters who are subscribing to “it’s not my fault” are missing is that it is not usually the ‘health issue causing obesity’ minority of overweight people who are being spoken to. It is the ones who deny that they have any part in their obesity while eating a bag of Oreos after going through some fast-food drive-thru and screaming that no one should DARE say anything about them being overweight (including their loved ones), and insulting women who are naturally thin. We don’t all starve ourselves and it’s more frustrating than you seem to comprehend, to try to gain weight and be unable to do so.

    To those of you aforementioned, perhaps you should cut the B.S. and spend less time sitting in front of your computer, complaining about how people judge you so harshly while eating food that you KNOW is making you overweight and instead go buy some produce and hit the treadmill. Most of us who “hate on you” (as you would tell it) are sick and tired of hearing about how terrible we are because we don’t encourage your bad behavior any more than we do an alcoholic. If a doctor tells a junkie that his habit will kill him, people applaud that, but if a doctor tells an obese person who has no contributing health issues to lose weight because their ‘habit’ will kill them, then they think he’s an a**hole. It’s stupidly ironic. The fact that you’re overweight does not anger me (it’s your business, but don’t expect people not to notice it), but the ‘how dare you because you’re skinny’ attitude conveyed in some of the comments I’ve read here does.

  154. Mary says

    @ Disturbed:

    Do you even realize how disturbing your own comment is? How much bigotry and discrimination is embodied in it? How much hatred you must have for people that are not thin like you? Have you looked back at it and can recognize how many assumptions you’ve made about people you don’t even know? How many generalizations you’ve made? Do you realize you’re part of the problem? I highly doubt it, but thought I’d point that out.

  155. JPICK says

    There are several problems with the percentages/statistics presented here. First, Women 20+ years ago were generally smaller than they are now, that’s why models were only “8%” smaller than the average woman. I agree that there do exist sad standards for runway models (not by all agencies, mind you). Another issue is that, whether you like it or not, there IS an overweight crisis. I’m not refering to being curvy, or voluptuous, but to the women who are overweight to the point it is unhealthy. I myself am “overweight,” but the funny thing is that I’m much healthier than I used to be (mainly because I used to try to conform to the supermodel ideal). I’m not overweight to that negative degree by any means. I think that all sizes should be represented on runways, in catalogs, and in stores (go Maurices!!). Wafer-thin women DO exist naturally, I have a sister who is very thin, and coworkers who were born without curves. So being thin isn’t the problem, it’s portraying only one section of women in society that is the problem.

  156. Nicole Townsend says

    Depending on how big a woman really is, and how she carries her weight, SOME plus size women CAN be fairly attractive. Honestly, those are few and far between. Most overweight women that I see on a daily basis are pretty unattractive, but that’s just my opinion. Back fat and rolls around the neck, midsection etc. just isn’t very pleasing to the eye..just being honest.

  157. sfran says

    You say that ‘larger’ women should not be expected to respond to pictures of smaller women – when the opposite would also advocate the same response. But you also say that models are not forms that any woman can identify with, so how do you expect a smaller woman (as you suggest my size 8 self is) to identify themselves either when they are apparently ‘larger’ than models? If what you say is true which, I am not indicating otherwise, then it is unfair to objectify size 6-8 women when they are bigger than models too, neither can they like you help their smaller frame. Size 6-8 women that are not skelatal cannot response to pictures of models either so where does that leave them?

  158. Disturbed says

    @ Mary

    I think you missed the point of my comment, which was that I saw just as much “hate” coming toward those of us who happen to have trouble gaining weight (i.e. the implication that we must be anorexic) as anything else being said. Unfortunately, the people who spout it are usually NOT those who legitimately have health issues which contribute to their weight issues but rather those who simply do not do the work required to get to a healthy weight. If those people think that “naturally thin” people starve themselves, it is likely out of their own insecurity about their size and their lack of effort to change that. I clearly stated multiple times that it is NOT the people who have contributing health issues that I was speaking to, as I understand that the minority of overweight people do have them and that it must be as frustrating as it is for me (being overly thin despite efforts to gain weight). It’s a bit like “reverse racism”, wherein one race complains about being singled out and treated differently, and then turns around and sets themselves apart as a group while speaking poorly of the people they’re asking to treat them as equals. The comments I was referring to were similar, “reverse weight-ism”, if you will. As an aside, overweight people I know personally have told me frankly, “I hate skinny b*tches.” and those are ALWAYS the ones I see eating poorly, not exercising and not putting forth the effort. They have never been those who legitimately have contributing health issues, and those who do have them are generally understanding of my own struggle with being underweight. I could care less if you or anyone else is overweight, but I do care about the ridiculous double standards in terms of the way extremes of weight are looked at by many of the posters here. If you took such offense, I can only assume that you either missed the point or that you fall into the ‘denial’ group. If the case is the former, then hopefully you comprehend my earlier post now. I used extreme sarcasm in my post to convey how insulting and ridiculous some of the posters here have been because I don’t think they understand at all how nasty they sound. Perhaps it comes from being ridiculed for their weight, but it’s just as unfair, isn’t it?

    No matter the case, this article in and of itself spins facts to suit it’s author (as most writings do no matter what the topic or the writer) and it plays into a trend that is unhealthy and unrealistic. Women used to be smaller in general, and it’s not genetics or health issues that has caused the average weight to be higher. That’s why the percentage in average model size is so different now. It’s bad habits for the most part and if doctors and health officials are saying this, there’s probably some merit to it.

  159. Mary says

    @ Disturbed

    I understand the point you were trying to get across, I do. But just like most people with good intentions (and I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt, here), you don’t seem to understand the full situation or the full implications of your words, and are speaking from that ignorance.

    First of all, the old adage that two wrongs do not make a right is an adage because it’s true. You say you are seeking understanding; you’re never going to get it by lumping “most obese people” into the “lazy and glutinous” category and making generalizations about people you don’t even know and can’t prove. All you’ve accomplished, just like those who prejudged you, is to put other people on the defensive.

    Second of all, doctors are not infallible. Many, many doctors have the same prejudices against fat people that you have exhibited in your comments. From a personal perspective I can tell you that I’ve had to battle with many doctors who have assumed that my health problems come from being obese. Ranging from a cardiologist who assumed within the first minute after meeting me that my heart palpitations came from being overweight (they actually came from a relapse of my thyroid disease) to a general physician actually telling me to my face that the reason I was coughing up bloody scabs was that I was overweight, not that I had acute tonsillitis, and if I just lost 50 pounds it would go away. I had to pitch a bloody screaming fit and start dialing the number of a lawyer I’ve used in the past (for something else) in order to get a script for frickin’ antibiotics.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2009/10/glutton_intolerance.html

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/08/25/america-s-war-on-the-overweight.html

    I can tell that the “minority of fat people have contributing health issues” was hard-won from you. The tone is just grudging. Again you don’t know these people, you’ve never met them, yet you claim that the majority of them are lazy and overeat.

    Finally, you’ve missed the point of the article entirely. The whole point about having clothing models who look more like the customers who buy the clothing is not about encouraging women to be fat, or giving them an excuse to be fat (the comment of which is highly offensive, btw). It’s the same point as having clothing that fits all sizes of women available and affordable. The point is dignity. It’s not about health, or encouraging healthy habits or unhealthy habits. To quote Kate Harding, “Human beings deserve to be treated with dignity and respect. Fat people are human beings. Even fat people who are unhealthy still deserve dignity and respect. Still human beings. See how that works?”

    http://kateharding.net/faq/but-dont-you-realize-fat-is-unhealthy/

    To put it another way, wouldn’t you find it offensive if someone said that para and quadraplegics don’t need fancy clothes, or clothing other than pajamas, because all they do is sit around in a chair all day? I know I would. And you know, not all para and quadraplegics ended up that way through no fault of their own. I don’t know the exact figures, but I do know that some of them ended up that way because of risky behavior. Skydiving, horseriding (*cough* Christopher Reeve), volunteering for the armed forces, becoming a boxer or a wrestler, etc, etc. Hell people take a risk every day riding in a vehicle. Would you expect to not get slapped in the face by the family members/loved ones of a para or quadraplegic if you told them that if they hadn’t acted stupid, they wouldn’t be where they were now? Well, good luck with that.

    Yeah.

  160. Sasha says

    I think the important thing that some people are overlooking is that for most women (under 5’10”) being a size 14 simply means being overweight. You can say whatever you want about body image and acceptance but, the fact is that the waistband of the developed world continues to grow and continues to be linked to numerous diseases and health issues. Perhaps current standards for models are too thin but, to say that they should be more representative of the average woman is a terrible idea because the average woman is in fact overweight and it is not an image that should we should idealize. It is about being healthy and happy but to be clear being overweight is NOT healthy. Also, as someone who is not overweight nor anorexic who works hard to eat healthy and maintain my health and fitness I would prefer to see active strong healthy models instead of plus size ones.

  161. Sasha says

    In fact I think the quote from this article says it all, “Twenty years ago the average fashion model weighed 8% less than the average woman. Today she weighs 23% less.”

    The average fashion model can only weigh so little. So the only difference today is that we are significantly larger as a population. You can make every excuse in the book and try and bring feelings into it and compare it to people with disabilities ( not sure that is a legit argument and is somewhat offensive by the way) BUT the truth still remains that as a whole we are larger and we continue to grow and at some point people are going to have to wake up and take responsibility for themselves and how they got to be so heavy. Do not blame the fast food companies, do not blame television and computers or busy schedules because other people encounter these things on a daily basis. Its about choices and MOST IMPORTANTLY its about setting the best possible example of health and fitness for the generation behind us.

  162. Brooks says

    With obesity rates on the exponential rise to the point of being considered a “national epidemic”, that 8% change to 23% statistic is simple math. There is no arguing that the air brushed “ideal” seen all over the media is simply unobtainable and arguably as unhealthy as obesity, however as the weight of the average woman increases (person for that matter), isn’t it obvious that the weight difference between model’s and the average would also increase? The media is doing no one a favor by polluting our thoughts with unrealistic role models but by simply saying obesity should be accepted and embraced isn’t helping the issue either. Anorexia and Obesity need to be approached extremely cautiously because the epidemiology of both conditions are typically as psychological as they are life style choices, but perhaps enabling acceptance could be equally detrimental to the solution…

  163. Disturbed says

    @ Mary

    You will not change my point of view, and I honestly believe that you do not understand my points, so I will make this my last response. You seem to fall into that minority I mentioned, so the fact that you are so vehemently defending the people who claim health issues cause their weight gain when that is not the case for them astounds me. As I said, it is those people who I’m speaking about, which is a different story altogether.

    I do not expect understanding about being underweight as I know full well that it’s not through fault of my own, nor do I expect retailers to cater to my size, therefore I also do not expect them to cater to the opposite extreme. I couldn’t care less what people think of my size because I know my own situation. I’ve been called anorexic, crazy, weird, and many more things than I can even recall, and my skin is thick enough to take it. My reason for mentioning my own weight and struggle finding clothes was to give the opposite point of view. It is very difficult to find stylish clothing in the Kid’s department or to find sizes for adults that are small enough (partially due to sizes actually measuring bigger than they used to) but I don’t write or support articles that tell me I shouldn’t shop there because I’m not considered “normal” or “shapely” enough for them to size for me. I don’t complain about it. I just keep looking elsewhere for something that is right for me. I understand that it is much more feasible to use one set of proportions for clothing and simply size them up and down. Again, if you have large feet, you may need specialty shoes. Do I believe that it would be great for more sizes to be available on both ends of the spectrum? Oh yes, I do, but I am a practical person and understand that it’s not very… practical.

    My “minority of obese people having health issues” statements were not grudging at all. I understand that this is a problem for some and I do sympathize with the frustration it must bring. However, the overweight people without those contributing factors will rarely admit that they are overweight of their own doing. Instead they tend to blame it on health issues which is often (except in that minority) blatantly untrue. That is not only offensive as it’s a lie, but also because it often comes from the mouths of those who bash thin women simply for being thin. It is THOSE people who really tick me off, not because they’re obese but because of the massive double standard and the expectation that they can say what they like because society in general does not support obesity.

    It’s true that doctors are not infallible. I have also had my run-a-rounds with them regarding my own health. However, I do think that the huge rise in high blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease and joint problems in ever younger people points to the general idea that being overweight is simply unhealthy. It is unfortunate that your doctor was such a nuisance, but I do not think that his actions speak for the medical community as a whole. My mother’s doctor, for example, does not tell her to lose weight. He just feeds her more and more prescriptions for the issues she has as a result of it. Neither extreme is good, is it?

    Your comments regarding the point of the article and dignity are overreaching. Is it more dignified to have to wear children’s clothing because you’re small than to have to shop at a Plus Size store because you’re big? I don’t see it as a point of dignity. It’s the assumption that one is due to “just small sizes” and the other is due to “you’re too fat and so we don’t like you enough to make clothing for you”. Perception is key.

    As for comparing paraplegics and obese people, I will say this: I don’t view someone who was stupid enough to get on a motorcycle knowing the huge risks and ends up crippled any differently than someone who ends up very unhealthy from bad habits (whether it’s drug/alcohol addiction, obesity, or anything else). If a person is paralyzed due to circumstances not of their control, that is the same to me as an obese person who has contributing health issues. If the family of someone who crippled themselves riding a motorcycle, or of someone whose liver is failing due to year of alcoholism (my mother is a recovering alcoholic, by the way), wants to slap me for saying it’s their own fault, then so be it. It IS their own fault. I feel no sympathy for the results of such poor choices any more than I would expect it for myself.

    If you believe that the family of someone who is crippled (due to injuries in the military) would want to slap me for saying their loved one deserves nothing but pajamas because “they brought it upon themselves”, you’re probably right, but I would not say that, as I don’t think it. A major difference between you and I is that I would never even think of them as bringing on themselves since they were there FIGHTING FOR OUR COUNTRY. That is not an act of stupidity and useless risk; it is usually an unselfish act, even if they enlisted for school financing or whatever the case may be. It’s vastly different from someone killing themselves with food or riding a motorcycle, or taking drugs, or ending up a vegetable due to anorexia, so I’m quite certain that it would not be me they wanted so badly to injure, but you for making that comparison to begin with in an attempt to defend bad habits. Shame on you!

    As an aside, most people who are crippled due to motorcycle accidents WILL take responsibility for their actions and tell you that yes, it was their own fault for taking an unnecessary risk for the pleasure of it. Something most overweight people will NOT do.

    I am a practical person with practical views, and I don’t believe in coddling. I believe coddling makes weak people who are unable to deal with the realities of life in general. Our society shows a growing trend of coddling, even down to giving all the team members trophies so no one really wins, thereby stomping out a healthy spirit of competition and striving to improve. I believe articles such as this one do coddle the feelings of “the majority” by making people unlike them seem like they are somehow unsuitable. Making thin people seem anorexic in order to spare the feelings of the “majority” of overweight people is just as wrong as making overweight people seem terrible in order to make thin people feel superior. Fashion magazines do the latter, and this article does the former, so to use your expression, do those two wrongs then make a right? If we keep telling people that it’s O.K. to get more and more obese, where does it end?

    Would you think it’s fine for a publication to tell alcoholics that they should be better represented for drinking more than other alcoholics, and that sober people are somehow trying to hold them down, and give statistics proving why it’s acceptable to drink more? This article doesn’t come off as simply telling larger women to support brands who size for them. It comes off as telling them that it’s O.K. to want bigger sizes in department stores because the average woman is now bigger, even thought it’s well known that obesity is a rising epidemic.

    You keep saying that I’m making judgements about people I don’t know and which I can not prove, but if that is true, then I think it’s also true that you do the same thing. You defend within an inch of your life the “majority” who make your doctors disbelieve your legitimate health problems, and you assume that my beliefs about “bringing bad things upon oneself” only apply to obesity. In fact, I have a general distaste for unwillingness to take personal responsibility in regard to any subject.

    Would you say such nice things about the crackheads who die on the streets every day after taxing their families to the breaking point, and now have families who are wracked with grief and guilt, even though they “brought it on themselves”? I doubt that very much.

    I don’t hate you or anyone else “because you’re fat”. I hate the defending of utter B.S. If you think that makes me an ignorant bigot, then by all means, think it. If you’re unable to see both sides (note that I’ve acknowledged that there are grey areas many times in my comments) , then I suppose that makes you bigot in your own right. It is not we “bigots” who make it more difficult for people like you who seem to have legitimate health issues. It is your peers, who do not have them, yet always go to the “I have gland problems” excuse, who make us tired of hearing B.S.

  164. Mary says

    @ Disturbed:

    Ah, a Republican/Conservative. Or a libertarian. I thought as much.

    Here’s the big difference: I have compassion and respect for my fellow human being unless they truly don’t deserve it. I feel the same way about people like you as I feel about people who protest at military funerals, drown puppies and kittens, make a financial killing off of other people’s misery, start wars, and treat wait staff like crap; and murderers, pedophiles and rapists.

    You’ve pretty much made my point for me. So, thanks.

    I’ve said everything else I’m going to say, except for this. If you think like you say you think about fat people, and are determined, as kate harding also said, to “hate people for their own good” (don’t try to say you’re not hating; I realize you’re in denial, but that is what you’re doing) here’s a giant clue-by-four: THIS SITE IS NOT FOR YOU. You are wasting your time here. We’ve heard what you’ve got to say from so many people and we blow you off every time like the bigots you are. So, yanno, you’re just wasting your time.

    There are several fat-bashing groups full of self-hatred and bigotry that I know of on livejournal that I can refer you to if you like. Those groups will pat you on the back for your bigotry. So, yanno, that would be more worth your time.

  165. Scarlett says

    @ Mary

    I don’t even know how you think your arguments against disturbed are valid. Are you aware of how many fallacies you’ve spouted out in your last few comments? You truly sound like the absolute worst kind of person, and I hope for the love of humanity that you’re just trolling this website and are not really that blatantly ignorant.

  166. beavis says

    “Twenty years ago the average fashion model weighed 8% less than the average woman. Today, she weighs 23% less.”

    So your average woman is much bigger then 20 years ago?

    Not a surprise. America has become fat and lazy and the enablers try to use excuses and rationalizations for it. Put the fork down and take a walk.

    This is a health issue, not some psuedo self-esteem “fattys unite” thing and this article excusing and flat out promoting gluttony and laziness is worse then what you rail against.

    When you die early, of an obesity related disease maybe then your eyes will open. Hopefully, you will realize it earlier so you can have a full life.

    Fat is not natural, and it certainly is not sexy.

    I agree that fat people should not be ridiculed, but they should be helped, even though it is(in 99.9% of the cases self-inflicted-if you are reading this and thinking glandular issue,you are lying to yourself. It is very rare). They may never be skinny, and that is okay. They don’t have to be disgustingly fat. Lose some fat,gain a little muscle and you will look good, but won’t be skinny. The goal should be to promote health not make excuses for people that cost this country billions every year.

    PS: Where is all this concern towards fat males? They are treated worse then fat women, and are the butt of jokes in all forms of media. Somehow they don’t fit in your little PC exercise of passing the blame.

  167. Peggy says

    @mary

    “Fat people are human beings. Even fat people who are unhealthy still deserve dignity and respect. Still human beings. See how that works?” ”

    Do you say the same about drug addicts and alcoholics?

    Stop making excuses for yourself, put the fork down and take a walk around the block.

    You will thank me for it.

  168. Mary says

    @ Scarlett:

    Definition of an internet troll:

    Internet poster who takes oppositional views to any advocacy site, regardless of the actual strength of his chosen position, for the pure purpose of stirring up debates, generating animosity, and triggering hatred.

    Now, given that definition, and considering that both you and disturbed (yes I went back to re-read your comment) came here to the website of a fat-positive magazine – where, yanno, fat people tend to be the predominate visitors – to generally bash fat people and fat women in particular, I will leave it up to the other readers to decide who is and who isn’t a troll.

    In other words – calling me a troll when you and disturbed were both already trollling? Yeah. Fail.

  169. Large Marge says

    If you except fashion designers to create clothes that make a fat(not slightly over weight but still healthy- i am talking fat) woman look attractive and actually show something resembling a woman’s figure keep dreaming.

    You know the old adage:you can’t polish a turd? Well,fat women are certainly not turds, but that massive fat roll from the top of their abdomen that goes down past their knees can not be made to look good, neither can that upper arm that is larger then most men’s waists.

    Fat women are unattractive. End of story.

  170. Marge says

    Challenging the physical stereotypes in fashion modelling is one thing to be applauded.

    However, what about challening the concept of female beauty in terms of ethnicity? The average woman may be a size 14/16 (US/UK) but this takes into account all ethnicities and ages, not just the young. The average woman I suspect, is also not a blonde, blue eyed Caucasian amazon either!

  171. Celeste says

    Mary, keep on with the good fight. I agree with everything that you said about “disturbed” . To me the bottom line in this article is not about health. And we don’t know who is behind these computers, what their lifestyle is like or what issues they have and have not right to judge them. This is a CLOTHING site not a health or fitness site.

    Everyone deserves to have clothes in their size. Overweight and obese, plus-size, whatever–the women responding to this article have almost all said they would like to see more fashionable clothes in their sizes and more models that reflect it, and not size 10 models representing PLUS sizes. Whether or not fashion designers or photographers will pay attention to that is another question. They have their own preferences, but if people walk with their dollars and do not patronize stores that make cheap ugly clothes for plus sized women, then those designers will have to be content with the money they make from smaller sizes or they will change.

    Since the 1960s the fashion has been to photograph and idolize thinner women. How has that helped the obesity epidemic? It hasn’t. Some people who have responded seem to think that by only showing thin women and not making clothes for plus-sized women, that is going to make women lose weight. What kind of magical thinking is that? If that were the case then we would not have an obesity epidemic at all, since fat women are marginalized and not considered beautiful by the media since the 1960s. If anything it has done nothing but create more women who are insecure about their bodies and more eating disorders (be they anorexia, bulimia or overeating) IF we see images in the media as cause and effect to health issues.

    Personally, I don’t think putting bigger models out there is going to make the obesity epidemic worse. If anything it is going to make a lot more women feel better about themselves, have all women dressed nicer (instead of in leggings, sweat pants and baggy shirts) and perhaps have less girls and teenagers dieting and getting eating disorders.

    The reasons for the obesity epidemic are complex and affect not only the U.S. but also England and Australia. I don’t know about Australia, but the U.S. and England switched to a carb heavy diet in the 1970s and 80s. Before there was the food pyramid, heavy laden with carbohydrates, there were the four food groups. That was what I learned in school. Eat a dairy, meat, vegetable and a starch in equal proportions. In addition, many women left the home and started working–this leaves children to fend for themselves when it comes to meals, or packaged, processed food and take out–basically junk food. This was a drastic change from the days when mom (mostly) cooked up meals from scratch and everyone sat down at the dinner table together. Also there have been changes in the food served as lunches in schools (now it is junk food) and the proliferation of fast food restaurants. Not to mention that our food is not labeled in terms of whether it is natural or GMO. The quantity of pesticides, hormones, etc. are in many foods unless you buy organic. If a cow or chicken is fed growth hormone to make it fat, does that seep into our milk and meat? What kind of effect would that have on humans? These are all issues that are impacting the health, and may be reasons why we have an obesity epidemic. Personal responsibility is of course important. However, I find it hard to believe that in just one generation, over 50% of Americans, Brits and Australians have become fat, lazy slobs who stuff their faces with junk food on the couch as some people have more or less implied on this site. This is not a simple problem. And for those that cry for skinny models because it is not helping the obesity epidemic to show women as they really are, I hope that you all are as vocal about the FDA, the quality of our food supply and what is being fed to our children in public school lunches, as you are about what kinds of clothes and models should be marketed to women.

  172. Mary says

    Thank you Celeste. :)

    There’s also all sorts of research going on about chemicals in our environment, air, food and water and how it all affects the human body. Some of those changes take generations because it affects the genes during pregnancy, and it’s not just weight – infertility is on the rise, and various birth defects are on the rise (although a portion of those is coming from more women having babies at an older age). A lot of chemicals they are now finding out mimic hormones in the human body and wreak all sorts of havoc with the body’s systems. As a thyroid patient for the past 23 years(Graves’ Disease, just had a total thyroidectomy this past summer) I’ve read up a lot on the endocrine system and it’s amazing to know (the doctors themselves admit it) that science still doesn’t fully understand how all the hormones act on the body (and interact with each other). And I’ve read a number of articles where scientists stated that they have only brushed the surface of understanding what all the pollutants in our environment are doing to the human body.

    Here’s a great site about the research from UC Irvine: http://www.uci.edu/features/2009/10/feature_obesogens_091019.php

    I still love that Kate Harding line – and she was quoting someone else who she couldn’t remember. But the line in particular (which is on the page I linked to above) is “You cannot hate people for their own good.” It still baffles me that people still think they can take a person who they think (but don’t know for certain) is suffering from an eating disorder – most of which are grounded in psychological and emotional problems – and shame them, take away their dignity, and belittle them and expect that to solve the problem. Really?! I love how you put it – magical thinking, indeed! If there wasn’t an eating disorder in the picture before, 10 will get you 20 that there is one after all the shaming, belittling and ridicule!

    Again thank you for your lovely comment. :)

  173. Saoirse says

    being obease is just as if not unheatier then anorexia. I’m a petitie person in height and weight so going by some of yer comments I’m not aractive and thats just the way i am naturaly. people are differet shape and sizes and is noones buisness what anyone elses weight is.So just because your a size 12 or you think thatd a perfect size why would you try and force that on other people. You dthink its wrong that the fashion indusrty uses slim models and “forces” that image of beauty, but your doing the same thing you want to change it to plau size model because it fits your image of beauty. People are atracted to different body types aswell so noone can say your not atractive because your thin.None is focing anyone to look at runway shows or modes to participate.This is an age old deabte and its the 21st centuary ad time to get over it

  174. Lynn says

    So, having an opinion based on logic – it appears that many of the women who find issue with this article base what they’re saying on logic – and consideration for both sides of a debate, means she’s a Republican, and being Republican is the same as being a rapist, pedophile and drowner of kittens? That explains a lot about our government! Don’t tell that to the Republicans!

    In all seriousness, I also came to this website after seeing praise about this article. I applaud all you women who love yourselves enough to strive for a healthier and more comfortable life! It’s wonderful. Unfortunately they are overshadowed by the ugliness some of the women who are insulting those who are thin for being thin. I am a thin woman and did not come here to insult the plus size women yet it seems like I came here to be insulted. Am I lesser because I am thin? Is that the message that is intended to be sent by some of the plus size women commenting here or even by the article? It’s a shame that there is so much animosity on both sides of the fence.

    Mary, you seem to be in the center of much conflict and yours is one of the first comments I saw when I arrived at this web page. To be honest, it was disconcerting. First, disagreement does not equal trolling. Trolls don’t waste thought on being understood and they don’t mention sympathy for anyone. It does not seem that Disturbed, Scarlett or the other women you have directly responding to were trolling this website. It seems to me they were thin people who don’t agree with the article and/or were upset by the insults directed at thin people. Second, you appeared to take great pleasure in comparing them to the most deplorable types of people in existence, including rapists, pedophiles and murderers. That you set loose such nastiness onto the internet only after people withdrew from the discussion speaks very poorly of your character and invalidates your arguments regarding respect. I saw you attack thin people who you felt were being offensive but I did not see you attack the plus size women who were being offensive themselves. If you want equality and want to be heard, I suggest you work on your social skills as you seem to see in peoples’ text only what you wish to see and end up responding inappropriately.

    When I listen to Adele, I don’t think of her weight. I hear beauty in her voice. When I read your words, I see ugliness and it is not due to whatever size you may be. There will never be equality until both sides of the war raise their white flags. Why not be the first?

  175. Scott says

    It may be unusual to have a man speak on a topic or website like this, but I had to say something. 2 years ago my wife entered a treatment program for Anorexia. At the time she was a size 4, moving into a 2. She was sick, unhealthy and in danger of dying. 2 years later she struggles to maintain a 6. I must confess my vanity, wanting to look nice is important and that use to mean “being thin”. Today, I long for my wife to wear an 8, even a 10. For her body to have curves and look and feel “healthy”. Shouldn’t that be our goal as individuals and a society? Health? For some ladies that will be a size 6, for others a 10 or 12. Health looks different on different people. I had to come to grips with that myself, a 6′ man weighing 215 in the “obese” category on the weight charts. Really? Obese? With 2 girls being raised in our home, we are striving to create an atmosphere of health, not weight. Inner beauty enhanced by clothing and the outward, not defined by it. 6 now a plus size? Please, visit my home, live my life. Shame on the fashion industry that promotes this unhealth and good for the Plus Magazines that celebrate health and beauty as it was meant to be.

  176. Finrod says

    Mary:

    Where does politics enter into this? As wrong-headed as Disturbed’s comments were, I didn’t see anything from her that espoused or slammed any political viewpoint whatsoever. For you to try to bring politics into an argument that you otherwise were accurate on only diminishes your own argument.

    People nowadays are dragging politics into all kinds of places where it doesn’t belong. (Remember when the weather used to be safe and non-controversial to talk about?) Leave politics out of this discussion, please.

  177. Facepalm says

    @Mary: So you think you won the argument by comparing Disturbed to a puppy-killing psycho? Her arguments are well-formed and rely on reason, not on “what I think is right or not right because it’s not nice to tell fat people that they’re fat”. I don’t care that much about fat people being fat, but like Disturbed, I do care about inaccurate statistics (one would have to be a pretty poor thinker to be fooled by the statistics in this article, when it is obvious that a very important part of the equation is missing, as has already be pointed out repeatedly). I also do care about the worrying tendency that people show to “accept” everything and condemn any criticism. Failing at school is OK, being fat is OK, we’re all intelligent and beautiful in our own way. There’s a difference between accepting one’s body even though it’s not “perfect” according to magazines and movies (I’m short and live with it very well) and being plain thick about health issues. Yes it’s fine to be slightly overweight, no it’s not fine to give one’s kids bad habits because “they’re beautiful”. I’ve been working in a cinema for a while, and considering the number of parents who thought that it was “healthy” to give their kids hotdogs and nachos for breakfast, and to give them loads of sugary drinks and sweets, I’ve stop wondering why Britain was the fattest country in Europe. I’m not saying kids shouldn’t have sweets, I’m just very worried about the quantities that they have. And about parents who think that flavoured water is one of your 5 a day, etc. This type of behaviour is on the rise, and it’s only normal that people should say something about it. Because the result is kids who have no idea what they should be eating, are hyper and can’t concentrate on anything, and WILL have weight and health issues later because they don’t exercise that much. While it is normal for a lot of women to put on some weight as they age (my 24 year old body is bigger than my 17 year old one, and I don’t have a problem with this), it is NOT normal to see loads of fat kids. And you may want to differenciate between the health issue and the fashion issue, but it simply isn’t rational. People don’t just judge fat people because they LOOK fat, they judge them because, in a lot of cases, they’re being overly unhealthy. I don’t claim to be particularly healthy, but whenever I see the consequences of my poor diet ON MY BODY, I understand that it’s time to do something about it if I don’t want to die of a heart attack at 45. Now of course not everyone’s the same and it’s harder for some people to lose weight, but I think it’s a massive mistake to tell people who are VERY overweight that it’s OK. Also, if one wants to make a difference between health issues and fashion ones, why would they not make one between perception issues and simple commercial strategies? A lot of people are getting tired of the “fat is beautiful” mentality, not because it endangers their own conceptions, but because, if the intention is good, the results aren’t. We don’t need anyone to promote the “let go” mentality, it’s already hard enough for us to fight our lazy tendencies. Telling people that it’s ok for them not to be bothered about their health (or their kids’ health, for that matter) is hardly helping them. Way to bring up a society of people who can’t be arsed about anything, too. I know people who are overweight and beautiful, but who wouldn’t think of saying that being overweight is a good thing in any way, so please drop the “thin hating fat” discourse, you’re only blinding yourselves. AND yes, I’m all for changing the average size of some models, I’ve seen a “petite” dress being modelled by a girl who was 5foot7, which I found just as ridiculous as sizes 6 modelling Plus sizes. I’m also all for voluptuous women. But if you’re a size 20, you’re not voluptuous OR healthy anymore.

  178. Robyn says

    I have been considered overweight for over 15 years and in the last 10 morbidly obese. I have a terrible time with body image and self esteem. I am married to a man who is nearly underweight so the disparity when you look at us as a couple is extremely obvious, which makes me want to hide even more. My husband married me heavy and loves me because he looks inside the body to find the ‘me’ I try to protect. I have never learned to love myself.
    I thought it was bad enough that I had weight issues; but when I had my children, believe it or not, it affected their doctor’s perceptions of THEM! When I took my boys, who are built like my husband, to their well-child visits, the doctors warned me to not over feed them and gave me information on good nutrition, implying that I didn’t make nutritious meals. The doctor would tell me my boys were going to be heavy as they grew if I didn’t keep an eye on them. I was very angry at these comments because my boys are NOT overweight; they are both well within the medical norm. But the doctors succeeded in making me feel like a bad mother because of My personal problem with weight. My boys are very active and I give them balanced meals for the most part–who totally gives up McDonalds for a once-in-a-while treat?
    BUT, if my tall, thin husband took the boys to their well-child visit, the doctor would tell him that the boys were doing just great as far as their weight was concerned. It became very apparent to me that my children were now being painted with the fat-brush just because I accompanied them. The medical community wasn’t just looking at the individual child and seeing where he, specifically, sat on their little chart; they were judging my children by how they perceived me!
    This is the first magazine that I’ve seen that shows the major disparity between what sizes models are actually waring compared to the women they represent. The first time I’ve seen in print a magazine that promotes good health and acceptance of what you look like. A magazine that emphasizes that women are more than a bloody number and have more worth then what size dress they wear; that plus size women have feelings and aspirations for success just like the slimmer women. It gives me hope that woman can learn to love themselves as they are instead of trying to achieve a certain acceptable clothing size at the expense of their health and self-esteem. Thank you for doing what you do.

  179. sane_man says

    I am really stunned by some of the comments here. First of all, to the women that do not consider themselves plus-size, why are you here? What makes you think that your opinion has any importance or meaning? Passing on your unsolicited negative opinion is childish and self-centered. Do you size 0-4 women really believe you are attractive with the artificial body parts? The narcissism of the self-righteous finger pointers is disgusting. I have an idea, if you find someone unattractive, don’t look at them and keep you mouth shut.
    Second, what is this HUGE epidemic of obesity? Are we not living longer as a race, women included?? An epidemic would lower the life span, not continue to see it rise. So some scientist and specialist have determined that the BMI is the single most important thing to pay attention to. Virtually every professional athlete falls under the obesity level on that scale then. Please stop the generalities, especially when you gear them toward the negative. There is a big difference between a woman that is morbidly obese with severe health issues and a healthy woman that is a size 16.
    I find it amazing and contradictory that the societal/cultural elite will stand around in a museum and marvel at the art that is hanging on the wall, sculptures, etc…, donate millions of dollars in endowment to the museums in sport of the arts, yet they do not criticize the “masterpieces” that include rubenesque women. How about we all keep our negative opinions to ourselves. The world is a big place and there is room for everyone. If 50%+ of the population is a size 14 and up, how can the majority be in the wrong? It defies logic and common sense. Should we come out with a government advised standard for height? Eye color? etc… Some of this “epidemic” is genetics. I agree that obesity is a serious issue when health is compromised, but just because someone is above the “ideal” does not in fact constitute a wrong or danger.
    If someone finds anyone they see on the street unattractive, be an adult and show some class. I can promise you that there are many looking at you and finding you unattractive. Lastly, if you think someone is attractive or a quality member of society based on a weight, size or BMI number, then YOU are suffering from the epidemic of stupidity and should remain under supervision.
    For the record, I am not close to obese, but since I work out regularly I am in the obese range on the BMI index. I also am attracted to the curvy feminine form that is spoken about throughout this magazine. That most certainly does not give me a right to judge or critique the women that are curvaceously challenged.

  180. Cornfed says

    There are probably very few guys posting here. I just ran across this by accident. So here’s a guys’ perspective, FWIW. I’ve always thought runway models looked just awful. Skin and bones. Who thinks this is attractive? None of the guys I know. So it boggles my mind that the fashion industry pushes this look. Does ANYONE like it? Women don’t seem to, most guys don’t either. I just don’t get it. In fact, I have always preferred women a little on the Rubenesque side.
    My wife put on some weight after she had kids, and i thought she looked pretty good! (I think she looks great either way.) But it bothered her a great deal. It got kind of strange when I would tell her I still thought she was sexy, and she would take it as some sort of consolation, like i was just being nice, though perhaps not quite honest. In actuality, i was being completely truthful. Regardless, it was clear that her struggle wasn’t primarily grounded in being attractive to me or anyone else, it was about her own self image. And it made me feel bad for her.
    That said, I think obesity is a turnoff, and there are some major health risks associated with it too, so i don’t really buy the “I’m fine no matter what I weigh” argument. It’s not that it makes you a bad person, of course, but political correctness should not get in the way of acknowledging a real problem that needs to be addressed. You wouldn’t accept that reasoning from an anorexic, so why does it make sense for someone who’s morbidly obese? Both extremes pose significant risks, and I just can’t get my head around celebrating or accepting a look that is itself a symptom of poor health. But morbid obesity is very different than someone who carries an extra 20 or 30 pounds. Tell me if I’m wrong here, but haven’t studies suggested that this in itself isn’t going to shorten your lifespan, and may even have some survival benefits for the elderly?
    The good news is that we are gradually seeing an increasing acceptance of heavier women in pop culture, and i think much of it is due to their presence in hip hop videos, lyrics, etc. One benefit of hip hop (about the only one, IMO!) is it’s celebration of well-built women. It’s no longer quite as embarrassing for a guy as it used to be to express a preference for curvaceous women, especially when music stars unashamedly tout their (admittedly crude) desire for more, not less. But when the guys are hangin’ out watching the game, talking about this and that, it can still draw some strange looks to say this, as if it’s a fetish, not a simply personal preference. Yet, these same guys would drool over any good looking buxom woman. There is a gap between what people prefer or accept, and what they’re willing to say out loud in public. I blame the fashion industry. And although I applaud magazines and retailers for catering to the plus size crowd, things will really be better when it’s no longer considered a niche market, but mainstream. Which it should be, since this is closer to how most women really are. And more power too ‘em.

  181. Conor says

    “Do you size 0-4 women really believe you are attractive with the artificial body parts?”

    …what? It’s these kinds of comment that IMMEDIATELY invalidate your own mission and goal – to strive for acceptance of all, regardless of size. Plenty of people have already said this, but it repeatedly gets ignored. You can’t respond to anyone who disagrees with you with militant hatred and disgust.

    This is why I am fairly OPPOSED to all of these feminist movements and black-power movements and plus-sized movements. In their extreme states, their goal changes from equality to superiority. You aren’t superior to anyone because of your weight (though, I suppose you may be superior IN weight.) You’re tired of industry and society treating you like a lesser form of beauty. We’re all tired of that. Responding by vilifying thin people doesn’t make you any better, though.

    I dated a girl once who was 5′ 9″ and maybe 120 lbs. Yes, I thought she was very attractive. Got a problem with that?

    I am currently dating a girl who’s more like 5′ 6″ and 150 lbs. She’s very attractive as well.

    Let’s get down to brass tacks here. We all judge, and we all have the RIGHT to judge, despite what people all say – we have every right to judge as we do to speak and think! We also are a very aesthetic society. A vain one. There’s nothing wrong with that. We are also, however, a very complex society. On one end, our concept of beauty gets smaller and smaller (literally.) On the other end, our concept of normality gets larger and larger (also literally.) We can NOT live thinking that either of these are okay, because as much as it’s not good to continuously starve ourselves to be ‘beautiful,’ we also can’t convince ourselves that it’s okay to get bigger and bigger just because it’s more socially acceptable. Body size should not be a self-esteem issue – it’s a health issue. Obesity is a topic of mortality, not beauty, and we shouldn’t convince ourselves otherwise.

    You’ve all nailed the concept of attractiveness – that it’s a subjective term and that we shouldn’t immediately conclude that the only way to be attractive is to be thin – no one is arguing that. We’re arguing that it’s only okay to to be “plus sized” up until you start to incur negative health risks, in which case you should stop kidding yourselves.

  182. Lindsay says

    I am healthy. 5’11 and around 160. and yet I feel fat almost all of the time. This didn’t come from my family- we are all athletic and tall and “sturdy” healthy people. It doesn’t come from my friends or my boyfriend- they always tell me i’m beautiful. Its almost a desperate feeling I sometimes get about weight-loss. Whenever I have been down to 140-150, I am told by friends and family that I look too thin. But I get more attention and standard clothes fit me so much better- but I literally feel like I am starving and I become obsessed with working out. Obviously, this is not healthy. It is definitely the clothing and fashion industry and celebrity culture that does this to me. I get very discouraged when I see women trying so hard to be perfect, younger, thinner- throwing their bodies around just for people to look at them. I just want to feel happy and in love with my body and my skin and everything else about me. It is definitely not an easy thing to do when you are consistently told by media that you are “fat” just because you have some stretch marks, a little fat roll here and there. I don’t understand how we are all imperfect yet we are obsessed with being perfect?

  183. LA says

    There are a lot of comments here that really go off the deep end….

    The essence is this – 50% of American women wear a size 14 or larger. If you go to the mall in downtown Indianapolis, there is only 1 store. Just 1, that sells clothes for over 50% of the population of women.

    I have a large bone structured, even at my peak of being an athlete – running a 100yds dash in 12 sec., riding my bike 400 miles a week, playing ultimate Frisbee for hours – I was a size 12. As anyone seen Hope, the goalie for the US Women’s soccer team – she’s beautiful, she’s in great shape – and I promise you she’s not a size 6. She’s the same size as her DWTS partner Max.

    It really begs the question; Why would companies give up 50% of the market and the revenue? Pretty stupid!

  184. @MarcoIsAwake says

    As a man reading these comments, I am impressed with the forethought put into this article and comments but troubled by the premis. I have long struggled to make sense of the marketing techniques and societal pressures that have undervalued women of all sizes. Historically the expectations of women have been ever changing and largely unattainable, there was even federal money contributed to help get women back into the kitchens in the nineteen fifties. However, I cannot recall a time where the vast majority were so openly told that they were substandard physically.

    I understand the marketing aspects involved. By telling one that they are in need of improvement, you lend credence to the point that your product has value. In that it by using this product you will be better than you were before which was flawed. That being said, it would appear to me that there is an over abundance of this technique in most media. Moreover I don’t understand why most prominent publications seem focused on helping women make others happy, and not themselves. This opinion stems from my very limited knowledge of women’s reading. However with my limited knowledge (and acess) of women’s literature, there would appear to be a stark contrast to publications marketed twoards men.

    There is a obesity epidemic in the United States, however I believe that this is a socio economic as well as health issue. Moreover even if one disagrees with my premis, it would serve no good to vilify a group as slothful or lazy in order to get them to conform to an unattainable standard. In addition there appears to be a false corellation between weight and health. Yes body mass index, cardio respiratory fitness etc. are important aspects of health. However these are not all of the aspects of health and don’t favor the skinny anymore than the obese.

    As a man I am aware that I am not subjected to the same pressures as women when it comes to fashion or appearance( I can get away with wearing Chuck Taylor’s in almost any situation). However that being said there appears to be a false correlation between skinny and sexy(much the same way as with wealth and intelegence). The great thing about sexy is that it not singularly attached to anything not age or weight not hight nor hairstyle. I personally have always been drawn to curvier women, but it isn’t a preference of one size or another I just like hips breasts legs butts and above all confidence. I think that the most attractive trait of any potential partner is confidence, someone who is comfortable in her own skin. However the thing that really draws my attention is a women who looks powerful, and not in a business scence necessarily. Women have have the ability now more than ever to be everything a man is and more without being a jerk. You can go anywhere and see a pretty girl, but a powerful woman commands attention. A woman who obviously has her stuff together (or creates the appearance of so), someone who doesn’t need to be noticed but still looks amazing in jeans and a white tee or dressed to the tens.

    Lastly, it scares me as a father to consider what world my daughter is going into. Yes it is not the pre Gloria Steinem anti a women’s lib era, or the hull house textile mill era, but now there is higher expectations and harsher judgements. Luckily my beautiful girl is only three and there are plenty of woman warriors still breaking down walls and pulling society along with them. I don’t know if my shining star will be a soldier like her father or a doctor like her uncle or perhaps an explorer like her favorite show, but what I do know is that I will do my utmost to help her feel confident in her choices.

  185. la morena says

    I work in the medical field. Factors like smoking, drinking excessively, and poor diet are all the main causes of poor health. For better or worse, most chronic health problems, including high cholesterol and heart disease are largely due to genetics. Mild obesity is not a major risk factor unless a woman has high blood pressure and a strong family of diabetes, heart disease, certain cancers, etc.

    I have to laugh at people who identify themselves as thin, fit, “normal”, non-fat, etc but claim that they are so very worried about larger women’s health. I don’t see the same concern for underweight women to stop smoking, doing drugs (cocaine, heroin, and meth are guaranteed to keep you skinny!), or binge drinking (there is a high rate of co-morbidity between alcoholism and eating disorders). I don’t think anyone bothers lecturing models about nutrition or the dangers of muscle wasting. You don’t care about anyone’s health; you are offended by the site of larger women. At least be honest about it.

  186. Stephanie says

    I am a size 16/18, proud, confident full figured woman. God made me the way I am for a reason. However, it is up to all of us to take care of our temples…so to speak. It is deceiving, for example, to see a size 8 model in a Lane Bryant Magazine. I have complained to them in the past, but no one ever listens or acknowledges your complaint. I used to full-figure model years ago….It was discouraging to constantly compete against the tiny models for a job in a FULL FIGURE magazine/contest etc…. Needless to say I gave up. I always believed I wasn’t a quitter…but they proved me wrong. I pray that someday they advertising world will figure it out. A size 8 model showing clothes that come in a size 12 to a 26 will NOT look the same on us. Just an observation folks!

  187. Tracee says

    I totally agree with all the other women who think PLUS SIZE models should actually BE PLUS SIZE. I also think like many other clothing stores, that the Plus Size stores should have curvy mannaquins and curvy employees….just because we are a little big(or a lot big) we still enjoy shopping and we value the opinion of the EMPLOYEES in these Specialty stores. Are many of us overweight? Yes….most of us BIGGER WOmen are over weight in some way….12 lbs over to 80 lbs over…..we still NEED TO BE CLOTHED!!! IF I had the right tools, I would make my own clothes. I have written to WAL MART< TARGET and other stores who use to carry a boat load of PLUS SIZE clothing…Over the last few years, I noticed that the WOMEN'S DEPT in both Target and WMART…shrunk….I asked my friend if the store went on JENNY CRAIG or something?? SLIM pickens at both stores…K-MArt has a better choice that those other 2…but NOT always a KMART around…OR a FASHION BUG for that matter. BIG women need to try the stuff on….we like to know if it is gonna fit before we get it home….so not all of us shop the internet. WIth all that being said….having a curvy body is NOT a bad thing…..I think if more us write to these companies….maybe they will get the hint..I can't be the only one who wrote walmart and target….? I am all for PLUS SIZE WOMEN gracing the pages of ANY magazine…or ads for clothing, shoes, whatever……

  188. Heidi A. Coghlan says

    OK, let me get this straight . . .

    Ultra-skinny, almost anorexic size 0 models are “straight sized”
    Average sizes, curvy, size 14 models are “plus size”

    Yeah, right.

    Katya Zharkova is a gorgeous woman and there is nothing at all wrong with her body — airbrushed or not. But only in the alternate universe of modeling is she a plus-size. Out here in the real world, she’s a quite average straight-size.

    To answer your question, there is nothing wrong with a plus sized body. Only your definition of what that plus sized body really is.

    ~ a petite plus who is hoping someday the fashion industry will get a clue and I’ll be able to buy clothes that fit!

  189. Krissy says

    I’ve been reading all your comments, and felt the need to put my 2 cents in.

    I currently qualify as “morbidly obese” – I wear a size 24/26 (US), and stand at about 5’7″. I have struggled with my weight my entire life; I’m currently 27, and haven’t been below a size 18 since I was 16. Almost 10 years of raging sleep apnea (inherited from my father, who has suffered with it for 30 years or more) completely and totally screwed up my metabolism and I ballooned by approx 150lbs in just under 7 years. At my heaviest, I tipped the scales at 345lbs. So, I suppose the sleep apnea qualifies as a medical condition – which I first had surgery for at the age of 4.

    Otherwise, I have the great misfortune of inheriting my maternal grandmother’s frame. She has been large and in charge for as long as I can remember – and struggles with diabetes and a heart condition to go along with it. Thanks to diabetes also coming down from my father’s side of the family, I just know I’m next in line.

    My mother, on the other hand, is a military veteran, whose wedding dress was smaller than todays size 0. She never had to struggle with weight until she got pregnant with my youngest sister. She weighed in at approx 200lbs at her heaviest, and it stuck around until my sister was about 5 and then, to my eternal jealousy, it just melted off. For years, she made rude comments about what I ate, despite the fact that she only saw what I ate at dinner and the occasional dessert, until I finally got it through her head that all her twitting and nagging was not helping and instead made me want to find myself a trough of ice cream just to spite her.

    When I was 13, I developed Shin Splints (which felt like someone was taking a chisel to my shins with a sledgehammer) and thus turned gym class from the 3rd Circle of Hell to the 7th. It’s better now, but there are still days when I could cry because it hurts so much. I have been trying to change my ways with some limited success, but with all that working against me, do I still deserve to be degraded and marginalized, told to eat salads and find a treadmill (which I did and I GAINED weight), even though my insides, apparently, are remarkably healthy? (For the record, my last set of blood tests was less than 6 months ago and everything reads as “normal”, including my cholesterol.)

    I don’t know how it is in the UK, but here in Canada plus-size clothing shoppers have basically have 2 options if they can’t make a trek to the US: Penningtons and Addition-Elle, which are also both owned by Reitmans. The clothing they offer has been of increasing price and decreasing quality over the past several years, but I literally have no other choice. There are no other “plus-size” boutiques in my city that offer clothing larger than a size 20 (most only go up to 18). So, while I am trying to lose the weight, and it’s bloody freaking hard, what am I supposed to do until then? Do I go to work and job interviews in a sweatsuit because I can’t find anything that fits and doesn’t make me look like I’m smuggling beach balls under my shirt? (By the way, whoever decided to give fat girls horizontal stripes and skinny jeans was seriously deranged…)

    Even if I’m not a size 4, I have the same right to feel beautiful as every other woman out there, whether she’s 105lbs or 500lbs. Watching those super-skinny models doesn’t fill me with zeal to look like them. I feel depressed and sad and hopeless, knowing that no matter how hard I try, I am NEVER going to be able to look like them, or even any of the actresses in the movies. I don’t resent my thinner friends because they’re thin – I resent the fact that they can wander into any clothing store they please and can find something that will fit them and look good at a fraction of the price that I pay for clothing that has better odds of falling apart in a few years. I’d love to boycott the stores until they increase the quality of their clothes, but where could I shop in the meantime?

    Either way, take my comments as they’re meant or ignore them altogether, this article was not intended to promote fatty-ism or coddle the obese people, it’s about trying to give them a role model, a image, that they can actually look up to and want to emulate. And that IS healthy, my friends.

  190. misty says

    Im sorry but the woman in this picture is not considered plus size in the real world! you say plus size models are between size 6-14? Thats funny because plus size clothing is size 16-32 so how does that work? No regular store like H&M or Wetseal sale anything over a size 14. I don’t really understand how a model who don’t shop in a plus size store can model for plus size clothing!!! I think this is crazy!! That girl in the picture is about plus size as Lindsney Lohan. Come on!! Plus size should be 165lbs + size 16-32. I would love to see a beautiful 5’2″ 200lb woman model clothing. In the fashion industry today plus size means “TALL” Not “overweight” That is what is sad. You aren’t really considered plus just because you are 5’9″ and weigh 175lbs. You are just tall and your weight distrubutes differently! I mean really take the 5’9″ 175lb woman in the size 6 and a 5’0″ 175 woman who will wear a size 22. Come on stop insulting us big girls!! I am 5’2″ and 272lbs I wear a size 20 pants but a 3xl shrt because I hate my tummy showing from having three kids. Now I am Plus size.Whats ever sadder is I go into Lane Braynt and Avenue and but clothes with no problem, the 20 pants fit perfect and the 30/32 shirts and 26/28 shirts fit fashionaly over my 40D breast but I see a woman walk into these stores weighing 400lbs and I know in my heart there is no way in hell any of these plus size clothes are going to fit her if they fit me perfectly. That is sad. Even the designers are now making the clothes in plus to only fit the body of a size 6-14 model. Not us real plus size women. The world needs to change and the only way that is going to happen is by us making a change. Lets use real women in ads not these aneroxic ones anymore!! Plain and simple

  191. Mommyof4 says

    I Just have to say I am 26 and I am MORBIDLY OBESE 5’6″ weighing in at 271 lbs. I Am a mother of 4 and I am married to a wonderful Man he is 5’6″ Weighing in at 260 lbs. who is also MORBIDLY OBESE As the Doctors say and I agree we are! It is not the Fashion Industries Fault it is Our Fault but I do not have health Issues Neither does my husband that can stop him from losing weight. He recently found out that he has Diabetes and High Blood Pressure and when the doctor told him he had it he smacked his stomach and said this is why (mind you him and his Dr. are very close) since then he has stopped drinking soda and lost 20 lbs we excersize everyday and his blood pressure is down and his sugars are normal! I agree that 80% of the world is just lazy sometimes because that is what I was, up until about a month ago! There are more and more ways to lose weight everyday they come up with something new and you never know what is going to work I agree the best way to lose weight is to walk if you are too embarrassed to walk outside get a treadmill or go to a gym! Whatever it is just get out and Do something IT really makes you feel better I know because I am doing it! Don’t say I can’t Just do it! It is not about the Losing weight either it is being healthy! I know God Made butts to sit on but not all the time LOL! :-)

    I Agree the Fashion industry is not at Fault and II DO NOT agree they should make bigger clothes because If that happens then we tend to NOT want to lose weight i Should know because I am a size 24 pants now and I went to Fashion Bug and Found some hella cute pants and I was telling myself I don’t need to lose weight just find cute clothes but they are expensive one pair was $43.00 why do that when you can lose a few pounds and not be completely skinny and still get cheap Pants? I was 96 lbs at age 16 and I was way underweight as my mother never bought food because we were poor when I got pregnant at 16 and had my son I went from a size 12 to a size 18 Now I was still skinny but my hips were wider.. Sometimes it does not matter about your weight but your shape and this includes men also! Then I had My Second Child and went from an 18 to a 24 Then after that I had my next two children and stayed the same I regret not doing more with my kids but I am making up for it now! I Just recently went to the Dr. because I had gained 20 lbs in one month (I was up to 280) I thought I had a thyroid problem or something because that runs in my family… Which I do not have any problems and Lucky me I do not have diabetes!!!! But I was told that I need to stop drinking soda and drink more water and excersize I AGREE!!! My husband is overweight because of his Medications he had to take for seizures when he was younger and has a hard time getting out to go walk the treadmill but I am there to help him I push him and he Likes it but he will be even happier when we start feeling better!!

    I do not blame anyone for me being Obese NOT JUST OBESE BUT MORBIDLY OBESE I blame myself because I became Lazy after I had My kids, BUT I do blame other people for making fun of me and My husband No one has the right to Judge us Just as no one has the right to Judge skinny Women/Men Work hard to make their bodies the way they are! I Mean Look how hard it is to lose weight imagine how hard it is to keep it off!!!!!! I just think No one should let anyone get to them and be who you are as long as the Dr. Says you are Healthy it should not matter! Being overweight does not feel good you start having so many problems, besides Diabetes and High Blood Pressure!!! I have Varicose Veins that I did not have before I gained so much weight and I have back and Neck Problems as does my hubby! IT is hard for me to bend over and Sleep and SEX is not the greatest because we can not do more than one position! I do Believe that More Commercials should have heavier set women not obese but a little heavier!
    Bottom Line No one Has ANY ROOM To Judge! NOT EVEN ME!

  192. Susan says

    @Disturbed.

    I think you missed a REALLY big point in regard to your comments. You say you suffer from anxiety, which is a sort of mental disorder. Are you, at all, aware that overeating can ALSO be a mental disorder? Why people eat when they are NOT hungry is a constant question fat people ask themselves all the time.
    Addictive behavior is not limited to just alcoholics, drug users or gamblers. Addictive behavior CAN ALSO be attributed to people who overeat. Unfortunately, unlike alcoholics or drug addicts, I cannot go to a place that PAYS for my treatment. I need to pay for it myself. My insurance does not pay for gastric bypass or I would have had it. Yeah, maybe that is the ‘easy’ way out, but I would take it if I could.
    PLEASE allow yourself to at least consider that overeating is ALSO an addictive behavior that one cannot easily assume is TOTALLY up to the person overeating to stop. Can you stop your anxiety by yourself? You may know what triggers it, but perhaps you cannot totally control those triggers.
    I hate being fat and not being able or willing to make modifications that will help me lose weight. Why? I am not sure. Most people are not sure about their addictive behaviors. I KNOW what I have to do and I have been on Weight Watchers several times, but I hate the restrictions. Do I choose being fat instead? Weight Watchers would probably say yes, but I say no. Somehow, mentally, I am unable to do what I know it takes to lose the weight. Do I make excuses? No. Am I depressed about it? Yes. Should that depression be enough to make me do what I need to? Apparently not.
    I am not going to get into all the other stuff in the article. The ONLY point I wanted to make is that, just like your anxiety, being fat has a mental cause to it as well.

  193. Wendy Simmons says

    Wow! There are a lot of opposing views on here. All I can tell you is my opinion. I will start with quoting my mom. She always says “You can’t fight heredity”. This applies to many things, such as personality, facial features, and eye color, but it also applies body type. As with most people, I took after my dad’s side of the family. I look like most of the women (those with children) on that side of the family, which is large to obese. It just so happens that the few that are petite never had children. Anyway, as a result, I have struggled with my weight my entire life, and was alwasy viewed as fat, which did a number on my self esteem as an adolescent. I look at pictures of myself back then, and I WISH that I looked that good now! I started to gain a lot of weight in college, after I stopped starving myself, and it only got worse after having kids. I gained the most after my third (and last) child, after having had a c-section, since it took me a couple of years to completely recover from the surgery. I don’t enjoy being obese. I never have. But I don’t sit around all day eating junk food. I may not exercise as much as I “should”, but the bottom line is, I AM healthy, whether you believe it or not. I have had many doctors tell me “You MUST have diabetes”, and when I get tested, guess what? WRONG! The same thing happened with my son, when the pediatrician was a royal bit**, telling me that we both must have diabetes. WRONG! I don’t have high blood pressure either. And I have known thin people who had both diabetes and high blood pressure. The reason some people comes right down to heredity. Insulting someone for weighing more than you care to look at is no different than saying that “I don’t want to look at you because your skin color is different than mine”.

  194. Wendy Simmons says

    Wow! There are a lot of opposing views on here. All I can tell you is my opinion. I will start with quoting my mom. She always says “You can’t fight heredity”. This applies to many things, such as personality, facial features, and eye color, but it also applies body type. As with most people, I took after my dad’s side of the family. I look like most of the women (those with children) on that side of the family, which is large to obese. It just so happens that the few that are petite never had children. Anyway, as a result, I have struggled with my weight my entire life, and was alwasy viewed as fat, which did a number on my self esteem as an adolescent. I look at pictures of myself back then, and I WISH that I looked that good now! I started to gain a lot of weight in college, after I stopped starving myself, and it only got worse after having kids. I gained the most after my third (and last) child, after having had a c-section, since it took me a couple of years to completely recover from the surgery. I don’t enjoy being obese. I never have. But I don’t sit around all day eating junk food. I may not exercise as much as I “should”, but the bottom line is, I AM healthy, whether you believe it or not. I have had many doctors tell me “You MUST have diabetes”, and when I get tested, guess what? WRONG! The same thing happened with my son, when the pediatrician was a royal bit**, telling me that we both must have diabetes. WRONG! I don’t have high blood pressure either. And I have known thin people who had both diabetes and high blood pressure. The reason some people get sick and other do not comes right down to heredity. Insulting someone for weighing more than you care to look at is no different than saying that “I don’t want to look at you because your skin color is different than mine”.

  195. Elsa says

    What it boils down to for me is that regardless of my size, I have a decent amount of money to spend. I have a decent job and life and I want to dress like I give a tootie about myself. It is very hard to find clothes over size 14 that don’t make me look like I escaped from the circus or belong in a nursing home. However, find them I do and believe it or not, I am complemented frequently. Yes, men have even flirted with me. Shock! Having said that, the issue should be decided by our money. I would love to see those tutu-making, polyester-having designers of plus-sized clothing burned at the stake! I am a huge fan of certain labels and refuse to squander my hard-earned funds on some mess they think we’re so desperate to buy. For me, I really don’t care what the model looks like because with my body shape, I try everything on. So what if they use a size 6 model? My decision to buy or not ultimately comes down to what I see in the mirror. The industry is fooling no one. My size 8 friends are just as ticked off about it as I am. So I spend my money on quality, save up for the classic pieces, and hopefully sometime in the future the junk that they try to peddle to my category will melt down into a synthetic, stretchy ooze and go away forever.

  196. Hunybee3 says

    Guys points of views are great! Some of these comments were so long and DRAWN out, I’ll admit, I didn’t read em. I honestly think some of you are seriously misreading the whole “plus size is ok” idea. I don’t think they want you to go out and buy a big Mac and keep the fat on! I do think they are saying, we have a way to make you feel better and look good, but doesn’t mean HEY keep eating the fried stuff!
    As a person who is overweight, and who has been skinny, get up and take a walk! Saying you have a gland problem,( oh by the way I work in the medical field) as an excuse for being overweight is an excuse! There are very few real reasons why a person is heavy and can not lose weight, but there are many real reasons why a person is overweight and chooses not to lose the weight. Hashimoto (thyroid,) can be brought on due to being heavy! It can be hereditary, most likely its not. Some medications like prednisone can cause you to gain weight, temporarily. Just a couple examples.
    Anyone can choose to be healthy either way,skinny or fat. if you have blood pressure issues and your dr says lose 20 pounds, why would you be offended? He’s your doctor! If you don’t think it’s the reason your bp is high prove em wrong! Or not and have a stroke! It’s not attractive when your backside looks like it needs a bra more then your front side, So they are inventing clothes for us to wear to look more attractive and flattering then a pup tent! I don’t think they are saying stay fat forever it’s healthy for you!
    My sister is super skinny, her bp is sky high, she eats very little smokes and drinks a lot, she gets offended when the dr says, stop smoking and stop drinking. She uses the same excuses I have read here. That’s not why my bp is high, I try to slow down, I ate more today.
    It’s not a one day thing, it’s an every day lifestyle! We eat too much, excersice to little, and we are an example to our kids. Wether it makes them do the same as us, or the opposite of us.

  197. Christi W says

    I am frankly puzzled at the vitriol & filth I am seeing spewed out in these comments AT women BY women. Am I the only one who sees the feminist issue here, that the women who are self described “thinner” women are coming here specifically to victimize other women who do not measure up to the thinner women’s standards? I thought that most of us, at least those growing up in THIS society on THIS planet, agreed that the fashion industry throughout history, certainly for at least the last two hundred years, victimized ALL women and expected us all to fit into a perfectly sexualized standard few women could ever meet without cosmetic surgery. I was certainly the victim of an unenlightened mother, as most of us probably were depending on our age. I have three sisters, all perfectly petite and thin despite childbearing. I was told I was too skinny, too ugly, too tall. At 18 I was 5 foot six, ninety eight pounds, size two or four. Pregnant with my first child at 21 I gained 70 pounds with my first pregnancy. My family’s tune changed, now I was not only obese, I would never be thin again. About a year later back to 105 lbs. Back to skinny, ugly. I was accused by my family of being anorexic. Same thing at 28 with 2nd pregnancy, gained 72 lbs, had new husband, very supportive, told my family to go take a flying leap! Then I became sick with a chronic illness. After losing the wight, I was put on steroid injections and pills. Back up to 150, which for my frame made me a size 12 or 14. Still a big fat pig according to my family. As of today I an a size 6 or 8, but that fluctuates with whatever my current medical treatment is. My point is, I was never good enough for my critical family. Even though I must have at some point, for one day, maybe just one hour, been at the perfect weight, they never noticed. Even though we don’t all have that family, society has always put that voice in our heads as women. We are never good enough, thin enough, beautiful or young enough in this society. As soon as we are old enough to drink we are terrified of aging. When we get pregnant we try to hide it as long as possible,and pregnant celebrities show off their “baby bump.” Baby bump? Really? Truthfully though, we all are beautiful enough. at any age, any size. Except for these women who take up society’s torch of torturing us about our bodies. I was a little shocked to see one post on here that said if you weren’t PLUS size you had no business posting here. I disagree. This article caught my eye from a link on another website, and I found it to be a wonderful article that celebrated the beauty of all women. Am I wrong?

  198. Plus Since Third Grade says

    I have a question for all of the people on here who say that obesity is a health issue and that what you dislike is not that people are fat, but that they bring it on themselves with unhealthy habits and lifestyles. The question is this: Why is it that one of the places where fat people face the most ridicule and criticism is when they go to a health club or gym? I can testify that this is the case, from my own experience and from stories told to me by other fat people, both male and female. If animosity toward fat people is due to their unhealthy habits, you would think that people in gyms and health clubs would be very accepting and approving of a fat person who has taken the step of joining a club and making a real, concrete effort to exercise and improve their condition. But this is not the case, quite the opposite. Fat people who go to gyms are subjected to snickers, nasty comments, mooing, oinking and other animal noises, nasty notes left in their gym lockers, and general shunning and unfriendliness. If thinner folks were REALLY concerned about the health aspect of obesity, they would welcome a fat person to their gym with open arms and encourage them instead of bashing them and doing things to make their workout living hell so they don’t come back. Please, one of you thinner people who are down on fat people because we promote unhealthiness, please explain this to me? Sasha? Beavis? Disturbed?

  199. Stephanie U says

    I absolutely loved the photo of the plus sized model embracing the very thin model. It was a real eye-opener as to what we’re fed as the norm, compared to what is really real, outside of the fashion industry. In a day and age when we’re so brainwashed to conform to so many different ideologies its refreshing to see something that speaks the truth in a very honest and beautiful way.

  200. DisturbedIsRight says

    Seriously. Disturbed is right, you guys. Mary, you can scream “hate” and “Republican” and “puppy killer” all you want, but that doesn’t change the facts that have been laid out in a logical, reasoned way by the eloquent lady.
    This is coming from a young, athletic, male Political Science major. I have no authority to speak on this topic, and very little bias when it comes to the female form (due to personal lifestyle choices which I am under no obligation to reveal). From an outsider’s perspective, Disturbed makes some very valid points.

  201. Rhonda H. says

    Recently looking through a plus size catalog, I was frankly appalled to find that they started at size 6. Even 15 to 20 years ago size 6 was considered a healthy weight. It just boggles my mind. Whether the fashion industry wants to admit it or not, even a size 6 isn’t an average size for women. For bodies that small, you’re marketing to the pre-teens and teens. The average adult woman is a size 9. So what, that means that the mass majority of women in the US are plus size women now? Give me a break. It’s delusional, unhealthy, and offensive. Frankly, it explains why those manufacturers offering only zero to size 4 clothes are so expensive: they’re marketing to a ridiculously small corner of the american clothing market.

  202. yip says

    somewhere in the middle the truth lies.
    there’s no doubt that today’s models…many of them are grossly thin. there’s also no denying that thin-ness is generally promoted as the standard of beauty in this country, and that designers don’t put the same energy and attention to quality into making clothes for thin women, as they do for larger women.

    but at the same time, we can’t pretend that the huge chasm in the BMI of models and what is now the AVERAGE weight of american women, is all owed to the fashion industry promoting anorexic models. The fact is that the AVERAGE american has gotten fatter, due to a more sedentary lifestyle and less of a focus on healthy home-cooked meals, and instead opting for fast food.

    So not only does the fashion industry and clothing designers need to correct themselves and stop holding up thin-ness as the ideal but ….Americans also need to admit and accept the fact that on a whole, they have become heavier, and not in a good or natural way, but because of a negative lifestyle

    ps to site administrators: you need to make that CAPTCHA code field more obvious, or FORCE people to enter it in order to submit a post. I submitted a post earlier (or so I THOUGHT) and then wondered why it never appeared. I never got an error saying ‘you must first enter the code’. So I typed all of that for nothing. Most other well-run sites will TELL you that you didn’t enter the captcha code, and will give you another opportunity to post what you ALREADY took the time to type.

  203. jacqueline says

    Ive been a plus size person since i was in highschool. I hate it when the store saids they carry my size when they dont. In some walmarts there are only a little section for plus size woman. Goodwill they say they have a plus size section but when i look there they dont have enough plus size clothes or there not big enough to be plus size. We are beautiful too and can be fasionable its whats on the inside that counts people.

  204. Mike says

    I like the girl on the right. Shes a healthy, realistic weight – far better than the girl on the left. That said, applauding obesity just because its “the norm” is wrong as well. It shouldn’t be the norm, it should be fixed. This is coming from a guy who likes thicker, curvier girls. But thats a difference between being a little curvy, or less like the girl on the left… and being obese and unhealthy.

  205. mmart44 says

    Ok, first of all, this article is about giving people who never have self esteem a place to start, so all you people who are on here preaching the same old crap like you know where we’re coming from, can go start your own magazine for underprivelaged skinny people somewhere else, this one’s not for you!
    That being said, I have been overweight all my life. When people sit there and tell you that you’ll never amount to anything because you don’t fit the normal profile, that tends to make you want to give up, since you can’t do much about your body type anyway, and just want to eat more, which is where I found myself at one point in life. I am still what most would consider overweight, but I have lower blood sugar, colesteral, and blood pressure than anyone I know. My husband, who weights 120 pounds less than me, and is considered “normal”, is on high blood pressure meds AND colesterol meds! So to all you people preaching on here about how celebrating plus sized people means supporting some 5000 pound woman who sits on her couch and screams at her kids to bring her another hamburger – can shut up!
    I am loved for who I am , and EVERYONE deserves that. Stop telling us that we don’t matter! We ARE the new norm. You don’t like it, tough, build a boat, and gather a bunch of skinny people together and start yourselves a coloney in outer mongolia where you never have to see or deal with us again. As for me – Im not going anywhere anytime soon, so put up and shut up!

  206. Islandgirl says

    Disturbed,
    I am a size 14…. I’m 4’11…. And I totally agree with you. I have battled with weightless all of my adult life (I’m 45). I do have mild health problems (hypothyroid ) but I also know that this is only part of my problem. The other part of my problem is ME!! Although I work out pretty regularly, I don’t always eat the way I KNOW I should! Having health issues is not always an excuse for being overweight. It just means you have to be more contentious about eating and exercise. Fad diets don’t work…. Quick fixes don’t last…. Hard work, determination and commitment do. That said, I really do believe the supermodels of today do a disservice to the women of the world.. People need to realize that MOST of these models go to extreme lengths to maintain their model figures and that is not realistic for most people. Bottom line… Extremely thin or extremely overweight is not healthy. People need to get real with themselves….. Jmo…..

  207. moi says

    maybe if you stopped segregating them into “plus size” and just leave them as models, peoples mindsets would change. but as long as you segregate them as being something other than the norm, ur gonna be having the same arguments in 10 years when most designers STILL wont want their very slim fitting clothes to be on a fat girl. that and it will cost them even more in materials to produce much bigger clothing making them more expensive lol but calling her plus size doesn’t change the fact that she’s fat, sorry. you can have a great attitude and be healthy as a large person but still be promoting unhealthy eating habits to the dumbed down masses who think that its encouragement and reson for them to be unhealthy.

  208. Lucy says

    I agree completely with Frances. If you look at my BMI, I am underweight. But I eat when I want and for the most part what I want. I don’t starve myself and never have. I exercise, but not obsessively. I live my life in a way that makes me feel good and have energy. Just because I weigh a certain amount does not make me anorexic. If being a size 8, but still being healthy is ok, then I think it should be ok to be a size 0 or 2 while being healthy as well. I am a model and I resent when people lump us all into one category of “anorexics” just because we are thin. Yes, there are some that are too thin. That doesn’t mean we all are, or that we should get rid of thin models.

    I would also like to say that while my comment disagrees with aspects of this article it doesn’t contradict the entire message of it. I think that everyone should have fashion available to them if they want. And I don’t think it’s very fair on designers parts to not have plus size models showcase their clothes to those customers who are also plus size.

  209. Islandgirl says

    Cornfed,
    From a curvaceous (not obese) woman…… I thank you for seeing the beauty in a curve!! LOL….. I only find one troubling comment in your post…. The fact that you are ashamed to admit to your male counterparts that you appreciate the curvy form.. As my grandfather used to say, even a dog wants a little meat on his bones… LOL

  210. Marcia says

    @Mary: I’m fat and I totally understand Disturb’s points. She is trying to show another point of view, as a comparison. She isn’t ‘hating’ fat people or being a bigot. I totally don’t understand why you think she is. I think you should re-read her posts with an open mind. You totally misunderstood her.

    @Disturbed: Thank you for your patience. I’m 50 pounds overweight due mostly to stress, and I take responsibility for it. I’m not fat enough for Plus sizes but too fat for regular sizes. It’s all in the belly (which stress cortisol tends to do) which makes it even more difficult to find clothes that fit. If something is big enough to fit my boobs and belly, it’s way too big for my butt. But I can’t blame it all on stress. I take responsibility for it. I would never dream of expecting clothing manufacturers to make special clothes for me! No, my huge belly is an obvious sign that something is waaaaaay out of whack! It is an illness! I am sick! I cannot deny that and why would I want to? Every time I go shopping and feel disgusted about that big belly, I feel a stronger resolve to effin’ DO something about it! And THAT is loving and respecting myself! To actually DO something to FIX the problem! Staying sick isn’t loving myself. I’ve got to relax more, take better care of myself, and exercise. I’ve got to do something like yoga, to help manage the stress. Most of all, I need to quit letting stuff get to me which stresses me out. I am thankful for my massive belly, because it is teaching me what I need to know about myself. Disturbed, you are in the right here. Peace to you!

  211. Mary says

    @Facepalm: I have not seen any scientific evidence given by anyone commenting on this blog aside from myself. No links, aside from the ones that I, Dr. Deah Schwartz, Maria, Marnie, Skyfire, Speider Schneider, Jeanne Garbarino and mikey posted. Mikey’s link was the only one posted not in support of the main points of the article. And his link was to an article based on a Gallup poll whose points were based on government figures – or so the linked article says. However, I chased down all the links in that article – and all the sub-links and sub-links – and could find no actual proof of those points actually being based on government figures. So at this point we cannot consider it a credible source. (It’s based on surveys, not scientific research or facts.) I disagree that disturbed’s arguments are well-formed or reasonable, but it could be argued that my perception of her arguments is based on my personal opinion – but if that is so, then so are yours.

    As to comparing her to a puppy-killing psycho, if you’ll actually read my comment again, I said that “I have compassion and respect for my fellow human being unless they truly don’t deserve it. I feel the same way about people like you as I feel about people who protest at military funerals, drown puppies and kittens, make a financial killing off of other people’s misery, start wars, and treat wait staff like crap; and murderers, pedophiles and rapists.” I was not saying that she was the same as a puppy-killer – just that I felt the same way towards people like her as I do towards puppy-killers. I base my feeling towards people based on their behavior and actions towards other people – not based on their appearance. I have just as much compassion for people caught up in the throes of drug or alcohol addiction, or people with disabilities (through their own fault or not) as the compassion for my fellow fat human beings that I’ve shown here. And to be clear, I don’t dislike disturbed because she’s skinny – I dislike her because she has shown such hatred and judgement towards her fellow human beings based on one aspect of their lives – their appearance.

    As for the continued assertion that overweight/obese = unhealthy, I will continue to point people who spout that to Kate Harding’s piece, because she says it so well: http://kateharding.net/faq/but-dont-you-realize-fat-is-unhealthy/ Please note that the page is chock full of links to articles that actually link to….scientific studies! Gee. Imagine that.

    As for working in a cinema, guess what, I was a manager of a cinema for several years, here in the US. And yes I saw all sorts of kids getting treats at the concession stand. Big kids, little kids. Fat kids, skinny kids. Imagine my shock and surprise when I saw that the skinny kids were getting the same stuff the fat kids were, and in similar quantities. Now since I didn’t follow those kids around 24/7 (and unless you’ve made special arrangements with all of their parents and have either somehow managed to make duplicates of yourself or have hired a whole slew of researchers to do it for you) and neither have you, we can only make inferences based on the behavior we see/saw. We don’t know what those kids eat at home or other places – both groups, the skinny and the fat. We don’t know if what they get at the cinema is a special treat or not. We don’t know for certain that diet is what is making the fat kids fat, or the skinny kids skinny. In order to say that it’s not a special treat, that in the case of the fat kids it’s their diet that made them fat, we have to make assumptions – which is the very thing I was chiding disturbed for doing.

    As an aside, I did have a personal experience with this topic growing up. My family and a family of cousins lived on the same multi-family property. My siblings and I were chubby – my cousins were all skinny as rails. My siblings and I spent the majority of our non-school,non-sleep time at their house so I got a first-hand glimpse at what they ate. Guess what the majority of what they ate was? Pizza almost every night. Lots and lots of chips. Sugary snacks like hostess cakes and oreos. Lots and lots of cookies. Lots of greasy, high-fat foods. Guess what we ate? My mom was a health nut : made from scratch whole-wheat pancakes with home-ground peanut butter on top instead of syrup; whole-wheat pasta from the health-food store with made-from scratch tomato sauce; lots and lots of steamed veggies (I can’t even tell you how many bushels of green beans I’ve snapped, and to this day I simple adore broccoli and spinach); most meals consisted of either low-fat baked fish or poultry as the main component; made-from scratch pie with whole-wheat crust, honey and fresh-picked blueberries (my family knew a family who had a farm and allowed us to go pick what we wanted) as an occasional treat; and low-fat, low-sugar carob-chip cookies (sweetened with fruit juice) also as an occasional treat. My siblings and I were always chubby and currently one qualifies as overweight, and me and the other qualify as obese according to the current BMI scale. My cousins were, as I said, all skinny as rails and continue to be.

    It actually is rational to differentiate between the health issue and the fashion issue. You actually reinforce my point; you say that “People don’t just judge fat people because they LOOK fat, they judge them because, in a lot of cases, they’re being overly unhealthy.” Notice the important word there – JUDGE. Again people are making judgements of other people based just on what they see. You don’t know these people from Adam but because of one component of their lives that is so visible, you’ve already judged them as unhealthy. Again, I refer you back to the Kate Harding post I’ve linked above. And AGAIN, making sure that people of all sizes has well-fitting clothing to wear is NOT endorsing unhealthy behavior, or behavior of any kind. You’re equating dignity – being able to cover one self according to the mores and dictates of society without being subject to embarrassment – with a reward. As if overweight people were so AWFULLY BAD and MORALLY REPREHENSIBLE that they don’t “deserve” dignity. Well, just shit on that.

    As for being not voluptuous or sexually attractive – well. I’d probably shock you by telling you how many men I’ve been with or how much sex I’ve had in the 34 years I’ve been on this planet (started at 19). Or you’d start calling me a slut, but hell, I’ve been called worse. But hey look, there’s another scientific study about just that: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/200811/the-power-female-choice-fat-chicks-get-laid-more

  212. Marcia says

    @Lynn, well said! Mary is the one who was being hateful, not Disturbed.

    And btw, did I mention I’m a fat woman? I’m fat and I was able to understand Disturbed’s points. @Mary, you really twisted her words big time, and you said some really nasty things to her.

  213. Diva says

    Couldnt it be as simple as there are many sides to beauty and most people would like it if the media showed more than one? And perhaps we should all be striving to find what is naturally healthy for our bodies instead blindly struggling to meet the standard we are told we should?

  214. Alice says

    “Do you size 0-4 women really believe you are attractive with the artificial body parts?”

    What kind of reasoning is that?

    You are either natural and large or artificial and small?

    That is just plain idiocy.

  215. Kaitlin says

    Okay… Well, I understand what everyone is saying here. I understand that the US is continuously getting fatter and blah blah blah. But the comment about the model’s only being 8% smaller back in the day and 23% today… That gap is getting bigger in BOTH directions. If you look at the models of back in the day, they were full figured women, with beautifully feminine bodies… but today the ideal is to have a masculine straight figured toned form. There’s nothing wrong with having either form, and both forms should be celebrated… Unfortunately, people buy magazines with super skinny females on the cover more often then they buy magazines with overweight women on the cover. If your BMI is more than 29.9… you need to lose weight, and if it’s lower than 18.5, you need to gain weight. Simple as that. I don’t agree that a size 6 should be considered “Plus size,” but I also know that if you wear a size 18 and you’re 5’10” you’re obese… Simple as that. And since the average height for women in the US is somewhere around 5’4″/5″, it’s not reasonable to have a size 18 model, and consider that “healthy.”

    That’s all. <3

    BTW… I'm overweight, and not proud of it… I will say, however, that I couldn't ever fit in a size 6, even if I lost weight. My bone structure would not allow it.

  216. LittleMissSkinny says

    @Disturbed. I totally agree with this girl. Amen, sister!

    I’m 5’4″ / 100 lbs. I’ve NEVER been heavier than this. I’ve been the same weight/size since high school. Do you know how annoying it is to hear from people how skinny I am all the time? If I asked people how they “stay so fat,” I don’t think too many people would like me. It’s considered rude to tell people that they are fat, but not when you gawk at someone who probably has a decent BMI – and then also adding extra insult by hinting at the fact that you think they MUST have a disorder. How is that fair?

    I find it insulting that people think that I MUST have an eating disorder, or must be starving myself to maintain this weight. Really, all I do is eat VERY healthy. I don’t eat fast food, I rarely eat out, I cook my own food, I have a balanced meal with a lot of veggies, I eat normal portions, I rarely eat junk food or sweats, and I’m physically active. I don’t consider that a diet, I consider that healthy.

    Everyone knows that America is overweight. It’s not a shocker. Most european countries are not nearly as heavy as our country, but yet we’re supposed to praise people’s bad eating habits and lack of physical activity? The reason models used to be only 8% smaller than the average person 20 years ago was because our country wasn’t as overweight then! Sorry, I don’t think our genetics have changed, but our habits certainty have, and people should stop blaming magazines and clothing stores for making them feel fat – because quite frankly, they ARE fat, and they only have themselves to blame. If you don’t agree, please ask your doctor if they think you’re at a healthy weight.

    Stop trying to put the blame on everyone else. I know, it’s never YOUR problem, it’s always SOMEONE ELSE’S problem, right? Everyone is responsible for themselves….so stop hating on us skinny girls and take that cheeto out of your gaping mouth. (Sorry I had to say it.)

  217. Ginalash says

    Being not skinny have being demonized for years as an unhealthy state. We first need to separate both concepts. We as women need to start living a happy and fulfilling life no matter how curvy we are. Being healthy is an issue for all, exercising and eating a balanced and varied diet is not only for the stigmatized full figure. Yes, I’m a full figure woman and also a nutrition student. A big hug to all the readers!

  218. jimbo says

    This woman is just plain fat. She would probably be beautiful with a slimmer body, but people rationalizing obesity now adays by saying it is normal. America has gotten fatter on average, that is why the difference percentage is larger. IT IS UNHEALTHY TO BE EVEN SLIGHTLY OVERWEIGHT. Being underweight is also unhealthy, but being athletic looking is never a bad thing.

  219. Daria says

    I wish that the women expressing such venom over the idea that being overweight is unhealthy would stop buying the misinformation they are being fed. It is not empowering to believe that there is only one way to be nor to state categorically that there is a scientifically sound causality between weight and health. There is a small corrolation NOT causation. Please visit the latest research that has been published. Toronto and Mayo both have obesity clinics that study this and both point out that weight and general measures of health are in fact not causal. You CAN be overweight and be healthy – primarily because weight is not uniform nor is the body as simplistic as machine as we would like to believe it to be. The reason the models are thin is no more causal for them being unhealthy. There IS a corrolation between being underweight and other health risks – funnily enough many of them are the same as being over weight. At issue is the difficulty we are having as a society in accepting diversity without comment or judgement. This article is simply asking for representative marketing and manufacturing. It has instead become a forum for discussion of weight loss, health and self worth. These are not connected to marketing and manufacturing except insofar as it is a tool to undermine huge and important segments of the population. This issue is about equitable representation – stop the knee-jerk judgements and focus on accepting equality as a fundamental right.

  220. Plutogirl says

    I am Plutogirl, a proud, curvy Renaissance woman and American actress. I was called “borderline obese” on a website run by anti-feminist guys, yet I have normal blood pressure and cholesterol and am at most 20 pounds overweight. My heritage is also Russian, and many Russian women have evolved to be naturally curvy and have slow metabolism to survive the harsh winters in that part of the world. Women who wear sizes 12 and 14 are not obese. There is a huge difference between obese and the high end of normal. Being too thin is just as unhealthy as being too fat. Whatever happened to a happy medium? Normal constitutes a wide range of shapes and sizes. We most certainly do have a twisted sense of what is healthy if promoting a normal size equates to promoting obesity. To emphasize just how subjective our notions of beauty are, I recommend everyone take a look at Renaissance paintings to see a very different ideal. The women, including the goddess of love, Venus, are voluptuous and curvy.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2085226/PLUS-Model-Magazines-Katya-Zharkova-cover-highlights-body-image-fashion-industry.html#ixzz1jJ4ILLIm

  221. VN says

    It is obvious that the intolerance and judgmental attitudes that America was founded with still run strong with all of your comments. Fat people who struggles with being fat and saying no to that cheesecake, won’t be encouraged by name-calling and anger. Just like anorexics are helped by name-calling and anger. If you really want to change people start with loving yourself and loving yourself enough to love the people in your family/ on your job/ and in your circles. Love births love…hate births hate.

  222. goatpointer says

    Blokes have great difficulty in finding larger sized clothes too. “Big Man’ shops are few & far between. With better health, nutrition, etc etc people are bigger. Clothing shops and airline seat designers have yet to figure that out.

  223. Deb Kinvig says

    This model looks absolutely beautiful and I wish I looked as good

    How about seeing the beauty in a woman and not the size ?

    Now there’s a thought….

  224. VN says

    @ Mike–If you are talking about the girl bent over and the girl standing, looking over her shoulder….Um, they are the same person…. Katya Zharkova.

  225. Peter says

    What beautiful (Plus Size) models. For me these are real women – not the thin, emaciated women who currently appear on fashion catwalks and in magazines – not appealing at all.

  226. Amy Bakke says

    I think that a lot of people are missing the point. I think that we can all agree that beauty can come in all shapes and sizes and a size 6 is certainly not “plus”. That being said, it is important to love ourselves and respect ourselves enough to not cram Big Mac’s down our throats and flaunt fat as beautiful as long as we are confident enough. Confidence, respect and love for ourselves isn’t just about accepting “flaws” but striving to be the best and healthiest version of ourselves.

  227. Mary says

    And I honestly still cannot understand how there can be any non-troll motivation for people to come to a website that markets predominately to fat people and proceed to hate on fat people, even if it’s camouflaged as “concern.” What is that? Do you also go around to websites that predominately market to smokers and hate on them for smoking? Go to websites that market predominately to gamers and hate on them for being geeks? Really? Wow.

  228. KB says

    Certainly a thought provoking editorial. As a plus size woman, I most certainly do want to be marketed to through the use of plus sized models who share my size. How would I know what a designer’s clothing would look like on me, if it is shown to me on a skinny woman? Often times plus sized clothing is just a larger version of what is popular on thinner people, with very little attention paid to whether or not the trendy style is actually suitable or attractive on a plus size person.

    If the majority of Americans are indeed over weight, it is only logical that their clothing be represented to them in an appropriate way. This means that plus size clothing should be CREATED SPECIFICALLY FOR and TAILORED TO plus size bodies. After which those clothes should be marketed to ME on a plus sized model so that I can see them in a way I can relate to. Those who purchase “regular” sized clothing do not have this challenge. I agree that no one tries to sell to skinny girls using a fat model.

    Several of the other comments on this article are clearly missing the point by debating whether large is lovely. This is about MARKETING. It is about the VOICE of the consumer and encouraging the consumer to communicate with those who provide the goods they consume.

    MY money is EQUALLY as spendable as a skinny person’s money and I have every right to ask manufacturers to market to me in a way that I find helpful and/or aesthetically pleasing. This article doesn’t ask you whether or not you believe fat people eat too much, to be perfectly blunt. It is encouraging you to think about the statistics presented and contemplate whether or not you would want to be marketed to in this manner.

    Don’t you want what you purchase to be presented to YOU as a person, not a group of people that doesn’t necessarily represent you? I believe skinny models should sell skinny clothes to skinny people. I want to see a curvy lady in the clothes you try to sell to me.

    The article sums it up pretty well by saying: “If we continue to ignore and rely on others to decide what we want to see, change will never happen. We have to be vocal and proactive, patient and realistic.” This line of thinking extends beyond clothing into most other aspects of life.

    Do you want television censors to decide if something is too raunchy for you to watch and prevent you from ever seeing it, robbing you of the opportunity to decide for yourself? I don’t. I am perfectly capable of deciding for myself.

    Do you want the government to tell you which car to drive? Which stores to shop in? Which books to read? Or worse, to wake up and be told who is running the government without the opportunity to elect your choice of officials?

    Letting other people tell me what I want in any capacity will never be acceptable. It is truly awesome that we live in this great country which allows us the opportunity to choose for ourselves rather than be dictated to. I would certainly encourage the fashion industry to utilize more truly plus sized models. There should be models of every size and shape. Those of us who are plus sized, or whatever you want to call us, are here and we have money to spend and we get to choose who we give it to. It would be nice if those we would like to give it to would listen to what we want to see.

  229. Meg says

    First, I would like to say that many of you should be ashamed. One type of body is not superior to another. As women, we should be banding together against body policing. Not tearing each other down. The immaturity is astounding. This article is fantastic and you are disrespecting the author with your infantile behavior. In the fashion industry, we need to have more realistic models. End of story. There need to be fat models, skinny models, athletic models, handicapped models, trans models, average models, and everything in between. Our world is diverse. So is our fashion. Shouldn’t the models be?

    Secondly, for those of you who think fat is disgusting? You’re entitled to your opinion, albeit shitty. I know that I am 5’10” tall, weigh 230 lbs, and wear a size 18 and some people may not find that attractive, but you know what? I love myself. Every curve, every dimple, every stretch mark, EVERYTHING. And that’s ALL that matters.

  230. a guy says

    One guy’s point of view;
    It is your body and it is your attitude about life.
    OK, you yell at me and tell me big is beautiful. I do not care one way or the other. Are you healthy, active, never lazy, never whining or complaining? Or do you just sit there, never engage life and just complain about it?
    Sloth and gluttony are still sins.
    Fat can be beautiful, but you have to make it so.
    Fat slob is always ugly.

  231. Disturbed says

    After receiving over fifty notifications in my email regarding this topic, I chose to see what people had to say. Some of what I read was good, as it seems like some people actually had the reading comprehension to see past their own insecurities and get why I was so irritated by the “thin hate”. A few comments were so utterly ridiculous that I couldn’t even feel offended by them and could only laugh. I think most of us know exactly which comments I’m referring to! *wink*

    @ Islandgirl – I am so glad that you took what I was saying as it was intended. If you are able to do that, then certainly so many others should be able to. I hope you are able to attain whatever goal makes you happy and healthy and comfortable! Honesty is so refreshing in a society that lacks it. You are a shining example of someone who takes responsibility for herself while still loving herself, and I truly applaud you!

    @ Mary – I didn’t know “yanno” was a word! Is it Dutch? Oh wait, you were trying to be clever. Nice touch with the abusing of the English language.

    Since my obvious attempts to be clear in my thoughts in a manner which did not involve swearing and name-calling were lost on you, I’ll be very frank. You can continue to post all the links you want while telling the world again how I’m no better than a Libertarian Republican, child-raping murderer of kittens who crashes military funerals (funny that you said that in particular since I pointed out your poor military injuries analogy). Although, I AM quite polite to wait staff, even the chubby ones.

    Contrary to your narrow-minded mindset, I didn’t come here to troll anyone. I came here to see about this article which people were saying was great. I’m so very sorry that I DARED to click on an article that doesn’t pertain to us skinny bitches and find that I might actually be offended by some of the overweight women insulting me or the article implying that overly thin people are all anorexic! Far be it for me, an OBVIOUS fat hater, to express my displeasure for some of the double standards and ugliness I was reading since I’m not overweight and don’t belong at this website.

    To be blunt, I don’t hate the way “fat” people look any more than I hate someone who has different colored hair or different styles of clothing. I never once said it was unattractive and I would never tell an overweight woman she is ugly because she is overweight. You must feel very ugly if you derived THAT from anything I typed. I’ve seen many plus size women who were beautiful. What I hate is the fact that far too many obese people (do I need to again remind you that I don’t think ALL do this?), in their addicted behavior (as Susan, I think it was, put it), deny and lie about their own responsibility in their weight issues while insulting ME for being thin. Just like an addict of any other sort would, and yet other addictions and mental disorders are so much more frowned upon, aren’t they? It isn’t the fat. It’s the attitude, and you have proven to be not only a hypocrite but also just as mean-spirited as those you are “chiding”. Cut the crap. You can talk about how you respect everyone because they’re human beings who deserve dignity all you like but it is very clear that you don’t see a thing wrong with overweight women slamming thin women whom they’ve never met… but thin women who dare to speak up for themselves are, in your twisted perception of reality, bigots. You can post all the links you like to support your arguments, and tell people they are wrong because they don’t post links for theirs, but the reality is that you can just Google “obesity and health problems” and get all the information you could possibly need for far more numerous sources so they probably don’t feel it necessary to give links backing up their arguments. If you are going to come down on “fat haters” like you seem to think I am, then also come down on the “thin haters” who spew their own brand of bigotry on websites like these simply because the sites are “for them”. I DON’T HATE FAT PEOPLE. Did you get it that time? Do I need to maybe send you a pair of glasses, or perhaps give you the definition of context? You are not promoting awareness or acceptance with what you have to say and are instead promoting double standards and special treatment. You are alienating the population of people who you seek to accept you. Like many people, I really dislike double standards and I really, really hate the bullshit mindset that the world is rapidly coming to embrace. You want to weaken the species? Just keep telling them they don’t have to try at anything that matters and see how lazy and stupid humans become, and guess what? I don’t just mean overweight people! It’s all encompassing. I know that must not fit with your “you just hate fat people” theory. .Just curious – does that make me Republican or does it make me Libertarian? Since you figured bringing Politics into it would help your argument, please, by all means, label me more to fit your desperate need to avoid admitting that there might have actually been some truth in what I said.

    You are the prime example of exactly what prompted me to take the time to type anything on this website. You want acceptance, you want to be equal, but what you (in particular) really want is for no one to speak up for ACTUAL equality if it doesn’t suit you. You want to be spoken to softly but people like you don’t hear anyone unless they yell. I tried speaking softly to you and that didn’t work, did it? Regarding speaking softly, I’ve seen enough trolling over the years to know that I probably would have just called you a whale or asked how your computer chair can keep up with the strain (I’ve actually these exact things before) or some other stereotypical insult, laughed and never returned unless it was to fire off more one-liner insults which could have been thought up by a five year old. Funny, I didn’t do that, so I guess I should try much harder at that whole trolling thing!

    By the way, if you’d like to give me those links to Self-hating Bigots’R’Us, please feel free to do so! I don’t feel the need to go celebrate my slimness with fellow thin people and rally against the obese who “shouldn’t be there” to make myself feel superior, but I suppose I could read the same kind of bullshit there as I’ve seen the thin-haters spew here. Bullshit still smells like bullshit, no matter how much perfume you dump on it.

    You may now resume your laundry list of socially and morally bereft people you feel the same about as you do me, but at least this time it won’t be in the same cowardly manner you showed previously since you thought I would not be reading any more. At the very least, they did make me chuckle at your utter lack of any intelligent or meaningful response to my previous comment. You sure put me in my place! Obviously, my response is no longer about you understanding my thoughts, since you very obviously lack the desire to comprehend anything that doesn’t make you feel O.K. about yourself, so much as simply cleansing myself of the nonsense you just tried to hard to force into my brain. Good attempt, though. Next time you want someone to believe that you blow off people like them because what they say doesn’t matter, perhaps refraining from responding would work better than telling them.

    @ Susan – I realize that eating disorders do not only apply to anorexics: eating disorders also include overeating or eating for emotional stress relief, etc. If you had actually understood me, you’d have known that I also stated that I have dealt with discrimination and judgment due to my anxiety and my resulting low weight, and that I don’t use it as an excuse to not do anything to help myself or to expect special treatment. I’ve seen many doctors, I’ve taken many medications and I’ve done this for twenty-five years (I’m now in my thirties). I’ve done what? Tried to help myself with my “mental disorder” which you correctly compared to struggles of the obese. Yes, they are both psychological, and neither improve without EFFORT on the part of the sufferer.

    Talking sense to some people is a bit like beating your head against a wall. I’m glad that at least some (no matter what their sizes) understand and appreciate sense!

  232. What I See says

    The image of the 2 women strikes me as an image of a beautiful mother holding (in a protective way) her young timid daughter. The fuller woman was designed to look confident just as the small woman was designed to look insecure. Who is more desirable is obvious in this light. What I would have LIKED to have seen is for both women to face the camera and look confident! Then we’d see that both women are beautiful which would would express that ALL women have the right to feel confident and beautiful! But this is not the point of the article. That being said, I do feel that the majority of 00 sized models of today are not allowed to be as fully beautiful as nature intended them to be. The industry they are working in is too restrictive. However, that is part of the appeal of the industry, isn’t it! Exclusivity! Specialism! It can just be so twisted and unhealthy when unchecked!

  233. Mary says

    @ disturbed

    Please. I am asking seriously. Please explain to me how the following:

    “I think it’s impractical to expect those who don’t fall into that category to subscribe to the growing number of trite excuses for said obesity. True, a small percentage of people really DO have health issues that cause them to gain weight easily, or have a harder time losing it, or that prevent them from exercising in order to facilitate weight loss. Let’s get real, here, ladies. MOST overweight people do NOT have these issues. In fact, I wonder if the ones who do have them find it insulting when they hear the majority spout such non-sense as it sort of makes them look bad, doesn’t it?”

    “the majority of plus size women simply do not want to do what is necessary to maintain a healthy (and what used to be the average, even without starvation) weight”

    “to call an overweight person (who obviously does not have health issues to cause obesity fat) and find it to be a negative thing because it’s unhealthy (generally speaking, though some mildly overweight people can be fit as anyone else) and is stressful for the people who love them?”

    “I think what MOST of the posters who are subscribing to “it’s not my fault” are missing is that it is not usually the ‘health issue causing obesity’ minority of overweight people who are being spoken to. It is the ones who deny that they have any part in their obesity while eating a bag of Oreos after going through some fast-food drive-thru and screaming that no one should DARE say anything about them being overweight (including their loved ones), and insulting women who are naturally thin.”

    “To those of you aforementioned, perhaps you should cut the B.S. and spend less time sitting in front of your computer, complaining about how people judge you so harshly while eating food that you KNOW is making you overweight and instead go buy some produce and hit the treadmill.”

    “but rather those who simply do not do the work required to get to a healthy weight.”

    “And yes, some women are still healthy at a larger size, but that size usually will not reach beyond an 18. ”

    is not:

    -Judgmental
    -Hateful towards fat people as a group, and fat women in particular
    -Shaming and critical towards fat people as a group, and fat women in particular

    You say that you don’t hate fat people, that you don’t judge fat people, but your own words say just the opposite. Prejudging people and clinging to stereotypes about them after those stereotypes have been disproved (and the disproving backed up with scientific studies) speaks to a deep hatred of that group. Seriously. Brushing aside supportive links (that lead to actual scientific studies, btw) as irrelevant to the argument doesn’t win you any points and actually detracts from your arguments.

    Also? Pointing out supposed grammar or English “mistakes” or “abuses” is an oft-used tactic of an internet troll. Yanno. So if you don’t want to come across as a troll, you might want to avoid it.

    I said what I said about you being republican/conservative or libertarian because of all the personal responsibility lines you spouted in your comment. That’s a big line in those circles – personal responsibility. Never mind that there are circumstances beyond personal control that affects people’s lives, if their lives suck they are just not taking enough personal responsibility! That’s the catchword of the day, after all.

    If someone goes bankrupt from developing cancer, too bad, they should have planned better!

    If someone was born poor without access to the opportunities that would allow them to escape being poor, too bad, they should have just taken more personal responsibility and pulled themselves up by their bootstraps!

    If someone is suckered by a big company, too bad! They should have taken more personal responsibility and been smarter in their choices!

    If a fat person says they eat and exercise just like thin people do but they are still fat, they must be lying and “stuffing their faces with oreos” – otherwise they wouldn’t still be fat! It’s all under their control, after all, except for that “small minority” you keep talking about. They just aren’t taking enough personal responsibility for their situation!

    If someone who is fat has tried all of the diets under the sun and they didn’t work, of course it’s not the diets – the fat person isn’t taking personal responsibility! They aren’t exercising their willpower!

    If a fat person wants to actually enjoy life and not be miserable all the time, too bad! They need to take more personal responsibility and own up to their situation that they need to be aware of their weight, eating and exercise habits 24 hours a day, seven days a week if that’s what it takes!

    If a fat person dares to want clothing that fits well and is marketed to them appropriately, how dare they! They need to take more personal responsibility and either change themselves to fit marketer’s ideas of what they should look like, or just shut up and deal with it!

    Those “If” examples were sarcasm, btw. In case I was being too subtle.

  234. Disturbed says

    @ Mary – Perhaps I dislike the butchering of my language as an attempt to be “cute” just as much as I dislike the taking things completely out of context in order to suit their purpose. You proved just now what you actually saw in my text and dismissed the rest of it, and that is why you will never be heard by the people you so want to hear you.

    I actually did look at the links you sent. That doesn’t mean I agreed with them. Just because other people aren’t posting links doesn’t mean they ignored yours. It just means they don’t need links to prove what it’s widely known already, especially when the predominant attitude seems to be, “We’ve heard it all before.”

    If you work at being healthier, good for you (and anyone else of any size), as I was clear about. That doesn’t mean everyone does. If an underweight girl starves herself to feel superior, it doesn’t mean we all do. You don’t like the generalizations, then don’t support them. Speaking up against people who aren’t like you and being silent for the ones who are is supporting one-sided generalizations.

    If you knew me, you would know that I happen to be a very compassionate person when people don’t provoke me otherwise. When provoked, however, I will not sit idly by and be expected to take it because I am different from your ‘group’. I’m thin, so therefore I should be O.K. with being told I’m not attractive because my breasts are small, or my hips are narrow, or that “men want curves”? And not say anything about what many people see (i.e. that overweight person who just ordered two portions rather than just the one they really need like anyone else, which is a pretty frequent occurrence, and if you tell me that’s judging a person I will tell you it only means that I have eyes which function normally) when confronted with “it’s not my fault” and “how can people be so thin if they’re not starving themselves in order to conform”. I could care less what someone eats, when they eat it or how much of it, or if they weight a thousand pounds UNTIL they find it appropriate to insult me for being their opposite with no provocation from me personally (how could I have provoked it before I even commented?).

    I notice you still made no mention of the “thin hating” generalizations going on, which is quite telling in and of itself. Please continue to keep quoting me out of context. Maybe it will work next time.

    If personal responsibility is the word of the day, then perhaps you should look at Islandgirl, who is a very good example of someone who isn’t ashamed of admitting something that she may not feel comfortable with. If you, after all this discussion, still think that I am speaking about about YOUR struggle with YOUR weight in YOUR situation, then you are much denser than I had previously imagined you to be. If you didn’t get that much of what I said was in response to the insults I saw when I initially came here and that I was pointing out that blatant double standard of behavior, then you are beyond hope. Were it not for them, I wouldn’t have commented at all. *shrug* Bravo for making me, and apparently others, certain that you find the behavior acceptable as long as it’s people like yourself who are doing it.

    As for comments that include “polishing a turd”, they are as unnecessary and rude as any of the others like them, regardless of which side of the argument the posters are on. Just because I am vocal about the insults by some of the plus sized women here does not mean that I support that type of behavior toward them, either. It doesn’t help anything and only widens the divide. It probably is part of the reason that Mary here can’t grasp that I’m not a typical “fat hater”.

  235. Mary says

    @ Disturbed

    I’ve been wondering why you’re so vitriolic towards fat people. I think I finally understand.

    You claim to be against the people with double standards, that you hate the b.s. that is prevalent towards thin people, but I think you just can’t see past it. That is the impression I’m getting, anyways. And quite frankly, I can understand that. When you’ve been hurt, you want to lash out, it’s instinctual. Unfortunately, you’re not lashing out at the correct people, or at least not *only* at the correct people.

    I haven’t yet addressed what you’ve said about thin people facing just as much bias as fat people because frankly I have nothing against your stance in that regard. People can be ugly and mean towards each other with no provocation, as you and other commenters on this post have so aptly demonstrated. What I do have a problem with is you claiming to be on the receiving end of a double standard as a thin person and then using that to spew hate and vitriol towards fat people as a group. You say you’ve experienced that treatment from some people who happen to be fat and you appear to now attribute that behavior to an entire group, aside from the small minority who get a pass because you agree that they *may* have health issues that contribute to their weight. You say “Just because I am vocal about the insults by some of the plus sized women here does not mean that I support that type of behavior toward them, either,” but you continue to do it, again and again.

    You did not take the stance of merely defending against the insults to thin people, which would not have provoked the response from me that you’ve received. On the contrary, if you had stuck just to that, you likely would have gotten support from me. I don’t like grown people having to shop in the jrs or kids department any more than I like size 20 women having to shop at specialty shops and having to choose between ugly and ill fitting or out of their personal price range. However, instead of sticking to just complaints about the insults to thin people, you started in on insults and hatred towards fat people as a group. (As I’ve previously pointed out, not going to go over it again.) And then you get all defensive and say you were “provoked.” Note that in all my comments, I’ve never said anything about “skinny bitches” or “I hate thin people.” Yours, however, did. It’s also telling that a majority of your comments have included descriptions of fat people – that the majority of them are unhealthy, that they need to take personal responsibility, etc ad nauseum.

    You cannot expect people to take what you say as fact unless it is backed up. The words “It just means they don’t need links to prove what it’s widely known already” is, to be perfectly frank, fallacious and ludicrous. You’ve based most of your statements about the behaviors of fat people on stereotypes that are not only not verified, but have been actively contradicted. Simply saying a variant of “everyone knows” does not automatically make what you say verifiable.

    You say that “I could care less what someone eats, when they eat it or how much of it, or if they weight a thousand pounds UNTIL they find it appropriate to insult me for being their opposite with no provocation from me personally (how could I have provoked it before I even commented?).” However your comments prove you wrong. As I’ve said before, you don’t know the majority of fat people, they’ve never interacted with you at all, and yet you already have a prejudgement in your mind that most fat people got that way due to overeating and a sedentary lifestyle. This is a stereotype, as I’ve proven with links to articles and scientific studies. You say that this stereotype is “widely known to be true,” but you offer no support for it, you do not back it up. More telling, you dismiss evidence that contradicts it. These are all signs of prejudicial behavior. Hence the term “bigot.”

    You also continue to fall back on common troll tactics. Pointing out mistakes or “abuses” of grammar/language, and now claiming that you don’t have to prove your opinions because they are “widely known.” This is not helping your case.

  236. Judy Schutter says

    The statistics in this article can be deceiving. The average model weighs 23% less than the average female in 2012 mostly due to the fact that the average female in 2012 now weighs 160 lbs. 20 years ago the average female weighed 138.9. There has been a 22 pound increase in the “average” weight of females in the US. While I also find the appearance of many runway models shocking, that does not mean that Americans, both male and female, don’t need to practice more restraint in their dietary habits.

  237. Friendly Online services says

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  238. David says

    I’m a guy, and when I read this, I’m thinking “It’s about God-damned time!” Frankly, I’m sick of the media’s idea of women. I’m sick of women’s idea of women. And I’m especially sick of what women think about what kind of women men want.

    Fit is hot. Skinny is not.

    Whatever “fit” means for you. You got curves? Fine have curves. Be good with that. I want someone that’s healthy and comfortable in her skin. If I think she’s beautiful, she needs to be able to believe it. I’m so freaking tired of being told I’m wrong when I say someone’s beautiful because of the size label on their f-ing pants. Worse still, I’m tired of the relationship being sabotaged by them because they’re uncomfortable being around someone that admires them (curves and all) when they clearly don’t.

    You know why you meet so many guys that only want the anorexic-skinny women? BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT YOU BELIEVE MEN WANT. We’re not something that can be stereotyped any more than you are. Some women watch TV, some women don’t. Some women vote republican, some women don’t. Some women sew, some women don’t. Some women ride motorcycles, some women don’t. Some women like skinny guys, some women don’t. If your crotch doesn’t control who you are, why would you assume ours does?

    YOU SEE WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE. A friend of mine once got someone pregnant. Until then, he’d gone years without noticing anybody that was. Afterwards, he commented on how almost every woman he saw was pregnant. He couldn’t believe all the pregnant women around. I could relate because I recently went shopping for a car. I wanted something specific, and once I started looking for it, I saw it everywhere.

    What kills me is the number of women I’ve personally loved who refused to allow themselves to be loved because they simply wouldn’t let themselves believe they could be. I’d tell them I loved them and they’d tell me I didn’t and all the reasons why I didn’t. Then they’d complain TO ME that nobody loved them and how they had to fit inside of some mold that didn’t fit in order to be loved while I’m sitting there going “WTF?” Do you have any idea how surreal that is? Do you have any idea how demeaning it is to put your heart on the line by loving someone only to be told by that person that’s wrong for stupid reasons like a size label? It’s one thing to love someone who doesn’t love you back. It’s entirely another to love someone who can’t be loved because they don’t love themselves. It’s almost like loving someone who’s dying from cancer in that you love them and they love you, but you’re watching watching them being eaten from within by something you have no control over until eventually it rips them away from you.

    Everybody has beliefs and everybody spends most of their time looking for evidence reinforcing their beliefs so that they don’t feel crazy, only changing those beliefs when they’re forced to change them. Convince yourself that the guy who’ll love you for you is out there and you’ll find him. Because he is. You’re just not looking for him. You’re looking for the guy that matches what you want to believe about him. If all of the guys at the bar want that anorexic skinny woman, LOOK SOMEWHERE ELSE. Because while guys that don’t like skinny bar women may occasionally go to bars, why would we keep going where there’s no chance of finding what we want? Why would you? You shop for groceries at Victoria’s Secret? Neither do we.

    We want you. Look for those of us that want you and then let us want you. But you’ve got to start by wanting yourselves.

  239. Dominique says

    I would like to state a point on behalf of “skinny” people. I’m 26, 5’2, 96 lbs, and I stopped gaining weight when I was 15. Sure, as a kid, I used to eat extremely unhealthy and my metabolism helped keep me thin but today, I take unbelievable care of myself. I eat incredibly healthy and I dance for a living, usually logging 15 hours of rehearsal a week along with extra gym workouts on the side. And yes, I am by standards, “model thin” and and I have been questioned to have a eating disorder when in realty, I live off of high calories protein shakes and bars, oats, fish, pasta, and anything else that can give me energy, sometimes logging 2500 calories a day. I, too, have always had a ridiculous time finding clothes that fit me, mostly resulting with me shopping in the kids department for the most non juvenile things I can find. And like many plus size people, I was horrendously made fun of growing up and into my early twenties as being the girl with the body of a 12 year old, how do you think that helped my self esteem? I am in no way unhealthy, if I stopped working out tomorrow, I’d still be a stick, and it’s not fair that people act like there is something wrong with me just because I am not ‘real woman’ sized. Yes, I do think there are many runway models that are probably starving themselves, but to ostracize all of them for something that very well may just be a natural thing like me or a product of hard work and dedication is ridiculous. Many people might find an issue with a size 6 being considered plus size, which I agree, is pushing it, but on my end, a size 00 almost always still doesn’t fit me, so how do you think I feel when even the smallest thing they make don’t fit me either. There is no such thing as a ‘real woman body’, all women should be accepted for who they naturally are and be loved for it. I am sick and tired of not being called a ‘real woman’ just because I can sit on the couch all day and eat pizza and not gain weight, it’s not fair to me and it’s not fair to other naturally thin people to be portrayed in such a negative light.

  240. Old Dog says

    I have been a “girl watcher” for over 65 years, and I have no style preferences. I DO find that ladies who look like adult females are the most attractive. The ladies that appear more like 12 year-old boys, like many models today, are a bit rediculous. I also believe that the sizes should be an unchanging standard, shared by all labels. Now even us guys have to try a pair of jeans, because a 32″ waist can be 34″ in some lines. With a reasonably healthy diet and a normal amount of activity, a lady who carries herself with pride will look her best, and look beautiful.

  241. Mary E says

    There is a difference between overweight and morbidly obese. There is a difference between health problems (a lot of which are brought in by the weight, mind you), heredity, and just plain laziness. And if people would pay more attention to WHAT and HOW MUCH they eat… Also, as for that anorexic BMI thing. I am technically in thy category. I eat all the time. Some people are just naturally thin and can’t help it but get mocked for it anyways.

  242. CysticSister says

    I stopped reading the comments after I skimmed through a bunch of them, and I feel the need to offer a quick reply. For those of you who are quick to blame overweight people for their condition, I will offer you a firsthand account that we are all different. Being healthy does not equal being skinny. I have a chronic hormone disorder that does not allow my body to process things as others normally would. I could go out to eat with my friends and if we all ate the same things, I would gain more weight from whatever the meal was. On daily basis, I avoid sugars, simple carbs, processed foods, fatty/fried foods, etc. As well, I maintain a balance of carbs, protein, etc and eat mass amounts of vegetables. I log everything I eat, and maintain a certain caloric intake daily. Everyday I try to exercise 3omin to an hour or so. Despite all of that, I am a size 16. If you would like to tell me that my weight is my problem when I have battled depression over the condition that plagues my body, shame on you. Nobody knows what anyone else is going through. Hormone disorders, thyroid issues, depression, autoimmune disorders, mental illness, financial status, and then some are all just some examples of factors affecting a woman’s weight. It is certainly not right for an outsider to place blame on a woman who already has to ask herself every day, why don’t I look like everyone else? Why don’t any clothes fit me the right way? How come I cannot eat anything outside of a strict diet, and all I do is maintain a perpetual overweight status. When you have experienced that every day, then we can talk. Until then please stop telling me that this is a “health issue.” I will take my strict diet over the fried food diet my “skinny” friends subscribe to. Thank you and have a nice day!

  243. la morena says

    Health? You’re just eaten up with sisterly concern for all those poor fat girls? B.S.!

    Weight is not the only indicator for health. In fact, it’s probably not in the top 3. Show me your blood work. What are your numbers? What is your lung function? What are your lipids? What is your blood sugar? Are you anemic? What is your blood pressure? Can you pass a cardiac stress test?

    Do you know how many thin women are unhealthy because they live on alcohol, nicotine, and illegal/legal drugs that act as appetite suppressants? Thin does NOT by definition equal healthy. And that’s just physical health. We’ve barely touched on psychological and spiritual health.

    So raise your hand if you actually withhold judgment on the beauty of a person until you verify that they are well and truly healthy , which of course would entail looking at their most recent lab results. Not even you, Dr. Disturbed?

  244. sage says

    Two things…no, three. Carrie Fisher once said that adult life was just high school with ashtrays. How right she was.

    Hashimito’s thyroiditis is an autoimmune disease caused by pregnancy, NOT having extra weight to start with. The mother’s body thinks the baby is a ‘foreign’ entity and starts to attack the thyroid gland. It is very common in women who have more than one pregnancy. It is frustrating to treat because doctors must be careful with the dose of thyroid supplement they prescribe because high doses cause heart damage. It damages women’s metabolic rate. But oh wait, even referring to “glands” is forbidden by fat people, right?

    Now, back to the actual subject of this article, which is clothes. If designing and marketing attractive, smart clothes to any woman who wears a 12 or larger is tantamount to enabling them to overeat like my sister-in-law and therefore MORALLY reprehensible, should bigger gals be forced to wear burkhas while dieting/exercising until they are skinny enough to be worthy of a nice wardrobe? How does one use an elliptical machine in a burkha?

    Instead of trusting fat women to buy burkhas, should they instead be issued them by self-righteous know-it-alls who of course have their best interests at heart? Then fatties can be put in special fitness camps and put on strictly supervised diet and exercise programs until they are appropriately thin and permitted to leave and finally shop. After all, they clearly have no self-control, self-discipline, or personal responsibility of any kind. Right? If some of you sweet souls don’t intervene, we’ll all end up like the characters in WALL-E!! Hurry!

  245. Old Dog says

    An earlier comment of mine may have in-advertantly offended some ladies. If so, my sincere appologies.
    As I ststed, with normal healthy diet & a reasonable amont of exersize, if you stand proud you will look great. Some folks are born with a tendency to bigger or smaller, slight or stocky. That does not matter. Over half of one’s looks are in the personality. (most of the ladies in Victoria’s secret commercials are a turn-off. They look mean & un-happy)
    If YOU know your weight & shape are right, be Proud, stand Proud, and you will be a beautiful woman.

  246. Mary says

    @ sage,

    I agree with the rest of your comment, but I’m sorry, as a thyroid patient myself, I can’t let your comment about hashimoto’s thyroiditis to stand. It is an autoimmune disorder, but it is not caused by pregnancy. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hashimotos-disease/DS00567

    Just like many other autoimmune disorders, scientists and doctors do not fully understand what causes the body’s immune system to do this. It does run in some families (there is thyroid disease on both sides of my family), but it also occurs without any family history being present.

    I’m going to take the opportunity of a teaching moment here. I actually wrote a term paper and did a speech on this subject this past semester for a college class. :)

    I myself have Graves’ Disease, which is also another autoimmune disorder that targets the thyroid gland. In Graves’ disease, the antibodies that target the thyroid gland and mimic the action of thyroid stimulating hormone, which is part of the biofeedback loop that controls the production of thyroid hormone in the thyroid gland. Because the body of a Graves’ disease patient produces so many antibodies, the disease causes the thyroid gland to go into hyper mode and pump out the max amount of thyroid hormone 24/7. Like most Graves’ disease patients, I dropped weight drastically when my disease first started. I also nearly died – at 13. After years of going in and out of remission, my thyroid actually burned itself out and ceased to function – it essentially died. A year ago it started functioning again out of the blue, and since the autoimmune response generally does not go away by itself, I was once again hyperthyroid. As a permanent solution I underwent a total thyroidectomy this past summer (they surgically removed my entire thyroid gland) and I am now completely dependent on replacement thyroid hormone.

    In Hashimoto’s on the other hand, the antibodies produced by the patient’s immune system attack the thyroid gland, actually destroying it over time. Because some of the thyroid hormone produced is stored in the thyroid gland cells before being released into the blood stream, when those cells are destroyed the thyroid hormones get dumped into the bloodstream all at once. At other times as cells continue to be destroyed, the gland’s ability to produce thyroid hormone is diminished and levels of thyroid hormones in the blood drop. Hashimoto’s sufferers actually have the more difficult time because they cycle so much between hyperactivity and hypoactivity.

    Then there is also unspecified hypothyroidism/subclinical hypothyroidism. They don’t know what causes it, and because the lab results do not all specifically match the accepted values for hypothyroidism, it often goes undiagnosed. Essentially the thyroid gland is producing just under the amount of thyroid hormone the body needs, but not enough of a deficit to trigger more production of the thyroid stimulating hormone.

    Thyroid hormone controls many things throughout the body. Metabolic rate (the rate at which cells use energy), heart rate (abnormalities can in some extreme cases cause cardiac arrest), protein synthesis, affect long bone growth and neuronal maturation, and increase the body’s sensitivity to substances such as adrenaline. The thyroid hormones are essential to proper development and differentiation of all cells of the human body. These hormones also regulate protein, fat, and carbohydrate metabolism, affecting how human cells use energetic compounds. They also stimulate vitamin metabolism.

    The problem most people with hypothyroidism face is that even the most careful and meticulous doctor is not going to be able to perfectly mimic the body’s biofeedback loop with lab tests and prescriptions. The body’s thyroid hormone needs are normally constant, but can also change without warning. The human body also, as has already been exhaustively covered in the comments, is not uniform from one person to another. The lab results doctors go by to set the replacement thyroid hormone level for hypothyroid patients is based on averages of the lab results of a selection of patients with “normal” thyroid function. It’s not going to be perfect for everyone. So unfortunately many hypothyroid patients even when they are on replacement thyroid hormone therapy are still subclinically hypothyroid. Meaning their metabolism is lowered – and they have more difficulty with normal bodily processes – and it’s more difficult to lose weight.

  247. Allison M. says

    I am a Hashimoto’s thyroiditis patient, diagnosed in 2001. I was initially and incorrectly diagnosed with postpartum depression. Thyroid disease does not run in my family. I was told by three endocrinologists that pregnancy triggered this autoimmune response and I would NOT have developed it had I not had children. There may be other causes but don’t discount that one. It is real. The disease is a nightmare and I rarely discuss it.

  248. graydove says

    Back to clothes: when is the last time you enjoyed shopping for clothes? When is the last time you left a dressing room at a major clothing chain store without feeling horrendous and possibly needing therapy? I buy a lot of my clothes on-line (16W) or go to a local female tailor to make them, because I hate having to deal with snotty salesgirls, spending hours trying on stacks of things that don’t fit properly, and wasting my time. If there were reasonably-priced alternatives for us so-called “plus sizes” (a Target-priced version of Lane Bryant but with more professional clothes available), I would just turn over my paycheck to them every week and stock up!

  249. Shelby :) says

    I too have Hashimoto’s Thyroiditis, but it does run in my family (I was diagnosed with hypothyroid at 16). It was made much worse by my pregnancy and postpartum period with my daughter. I was told it would worsen with another pregnancy but that pregnancy was not the cause. Every time I think I’m on the right track, my energy lowers and I know my levels have changed and I need prescription changes. Get a good endocrinologist and go every 6 months. It has made a world of difference for me. The regular doctor thought my levels were in a good range last time I was feeling low, but they were actually not optimal. Once the endocrinologist caught this, I’ve been feeling much better!

  250. angela says

    To “Sage” —Hashimoto’s is not brought on by pregnancy. I have it (have never been pregnant) and have a friend who is 40, very thin, never been pregnant either and has it. It’s usually hereditary and not something brought on by being heavy either.

  251. Mindy Dawson says

    I know how a lot of you feel, I have been struggling with my weight since I was child. Recently I went from a size 22 to an 18, but yet I still hate shopping for my self….all the stores out there make it seem that SKINNY girls are the only ones who have to feel and look sexy and I think that is wrong. Not everyone is meant to be a 0 or whatever size Hollywood considers sexy. I also hate that stores make us pay more for our clothes. All my life I felt that I had to be skinny and at one point I was, but being skinny made me look like I was sick because of my bone structure. Well now I am happy with how I look. I believe that everyone has to be happy with who they are and companies out there need to realize that as well. Who cares if the model isn’t a size 0, there are MANY beautiful plus women out there and I consider myself to be one of them.

  252. Maria says

    It is misleading to state that people are anorexic if they have a certain BMI. BMI is about averages of weight, not about determining anorexia. Being underweight does not mean that you are anorexic. You are anorexic if you don’t eat. Some people eat normally and are naturally skinny.

  253. Glenn says

    There is nothing wrong with being a larger lady nor is there anything wrong with being a smaller lady. The important thing is being a healty lady. Beauty comes mostly from within. A posative self image translates to an attractive outward image. Women (and men) should strive to be a healthy weight. Too much in either direction is not good. I have seen beauty and ugly at both ends of the scale and all the way between. In my experience and my personal preference is that most men like a woman with at least some curves. Sure, we may wag our toung at that pretty little thing in the magazine from time to time but here in the real world, real women are what we really want. So my two cents are if you are truely happy with your body and are reasonable healthy, relax and enjoy life. But if you aren’t happy with yourself or you have health issues related to your weight (too high or too low) take steps to correct it. But do it because it is write for you not because you think others expect it of you.

  254. Hunybee3 says

    People who are overweight or obese may be damaging their thyroid glands, a problem that could contribute to or worsen their weight problems, according to Italian researchers. It’s thought that obesity may trigger inflammation, which in turn is damaging the thyroid, according to the study reported in the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism’s December 2008 issue.
    I am in no way stating it’s not real, In fact I was told when I was examined 6 yrs ago, I had the startings of it, I was also told I could turn it around by losing 20 pounds!
    As for the one who states it’s caused by having babies..NO I have researched this, there is not one article to support your claim that I have found. Autoimmune yes, hereditary yes, but not always!
    I’m happy as a fluffy girl..lol.. Did I lose 20 pounds yep, I Lost 45, do I do it intentionally to look good, nope, it just happened after I had my last baby! At the age of 38! I’m still fluffy, and I don’t care, I’m healthy, I dance, play with the kids, run stairs at work, and I’m still married to my high school sweetheart, he’s been with me from 120 to 220! I get whistled at, smiled at, drinks bought, and my number asked for! You have to love your self no matter what.
    And if you want more info on thyroid, check Mayo, webmd, ask.com, and even google!

  255. raidersfan says

    @Hunybee, I think it was an oversimplification of the fact that postpartum hypothyroidism usually (90% of cases) develops into Hashimoto’s thyroiditis.

  256. Jo says

    There seems to be a misunderstanding about the word curvy. Curvy means you have boobs and hips and a waist in between to create curves, not overweight!!

    Also, Victoria Secret Models work to look like that. Yes, they are tall and pretty but they maintain a healthy diet and exercise to stay fit. They aren’t mean and unhappy looking, that’s just a projection from people who aren’t willing to put the same effort into their own bodies.

  257. Holly says

    Personally I find it very sad and disturbing that everyone is butting heads with each other on this. Plus sized women calling thin women anorexic and thin women calling plus sized women fat and lazy. You all seriously need to snap out of this “us against them” attitude. All women are beautiful in their own way. Different shapes, sizes, colors who are you to put that beauty in a box and say “This is right and you all are wrong”? I think BOTH models are beautiful and have beautiful bodies! There is no need to label one as anorexic and the other as fat, flabby and say she must have health issues in either case. Its simply childish and there is no need for it. You don’t know these people you’re bashing on a personal level so who are you to speculate what their health and lifestyle is like? I know many plus sized women who are very active and have healthy eating habits as well as thinner women and vice versa. What is so wrong with the idea of women banding together and supporting each other for the way they are? Is it so wrong to look at the woman next to you and say “You’re beautiful” or simply compliment them, no matter what body type, color, clothing etc? You all have a lot of growing up to do on both ends of the spectrum.

  258. James Molben says

    Personally, I like rubenesque girls. Mind you, not morbidly obese girls, but the curvy ones do tickle my fancy. Furthermore, you can be a bit plump and still quite healthy. I know lots of bigger people (guys and gals) who can easily go out and spend a day working quite hard in their yard. I doubt if many of those waifs could do so. However, if you get winded walking up a single flight of stairs, that’s a different story.

  259. IB Smart says

    I sometimes look at the My Habit site associated with Amazon.com. It is fascinating in that in order to help customers guess better whether clothing is cut right, the site reveals the actual measurements and height of its models. When comparing to a standard size chart, I have seen models who are 5’10” or 5’11” who appear to be a size 10. When you really think about it, an attractive size 10 woman at that height most likely has a very healthy BMI. In other words, she is modeling an example of good healthy beauty.

  260. Hunybee3 says

    “oversimplification”? …….. I only brought that out to due to a previous conversation, my original comment was really saying we got off course! What’s wrong with our bodies? Answer…nothing if you are happy! I also think the magazine is great. And there is happiness in every size!
    I just clarified that pregnancy has nothing whatsoever to do with being the cause of hashimoto, I am very well aware that an increase in hormones due to pregnancy and after can cause issues, but one person declared pregnancy as the soul reason for women to have thyroid issues! Men can have this issue, as well as women who have never had children. I think that hardly counts as 90%?
    As far as being a stereotype? Maybe you are talking about another conversation? That wasn’t my point I was making.

  261. Mary says

    To bring it back to clothing…I can remember the one time in my life that I fit into “normal” (according to clothing manufacturers and fashion designers) sizes…it was at my most ill with Graves’ Disease. I had shot up to 5’10” and weighed 123 lbs. I was literally skin and bones because it took a year to get properly diagnosed and into treatment and mine was a severe case – and my body had started eating my muscles for energy. I wasn’t kidding when I say I almost died. It’s a miracle I didn’t experience lasting organ damage.

    I remember finally starting to feel better a few weeks before school started back up again. We went clothe shopping and for the first time in my life I could walk into a store, pick anything off the rack and it fit. So…I was thin, emaciated, honestly I looked like a starvation victim – and the size I fit into? Size….7.

    This was back in 1990. That’s one of the reasons I find it so ludicrous that “plus size” models today are a size 6. WTH?

    I’ve been a size 7, and for me, it wasn’t pretty. I’m not saying size 7 is not pretty for other people – that’s the thing. Bodies are not uniform, can’t be made uniform no matter how hard we try. But for me, saying that size 6 is “plus size” makes absolutely no sense.

  262. Jess says

    What’s the problem here? She is a sexy curvacious woman! I would rather bang a girl with a bit of chub on her than a stupid scrawny stick figure. As for people complaining about obesity, give me a bloody break! Lots of girls these days are suffering from bulimia and anorexia thanks to these stick figure models they look up to.

  263. Tiffay says

    Not everyone has the luxury of using “Thyroiditis” as their excuse for being fat! Some people just sit and eat pizza, ice cream and fried food all the time. Some people eat when their sad, when they are bored or when others are eating! Some people simple abuse FOOD! To me that is disgusting! Sorry to say but it is. I believe that beauty comes in ManY shapes and sizes! And NO you do not have to be sz 0! I think skinny is just as unattractive as obese honestly! I think any healthy woman who is active at least 2-3 times per week and eats sensible balanced meals should not be more than 180lbs! Unless your over 6 feet tall! I think that should be obtainable for most woman! Some people simply DO NOT TRY! And then they sit their and complain about how come the rest of the world is not fat like me? Umm because we try to take care and not be slobs! How big do you want to see a model? 300-400 lbs? Would that make YOU happy? Possible, but the rest of us just thinks its gross. Find and activity that you like to do and do it! NEVER diet! Just eat a balanced meal and u should have no problems! A woman who wants something will find a way; a woman who doesn’t will find an excuse.” BTW I am not a skinny chick. I weight 145lbs and am 5’6″. I have a strong body bc I like to do pole dancing for fitness. Its the one thing I don’t mind getting my a** up and doing a few times per week! I have been doing it for 7 month now and have dropped a little over 20 lbs. Slowly and steadily. My build is similar to Beyonce. I have curves and I am strong and sexy! Its fun to be sexy! You should try! Peace!

  264. RPC In Hawaii says

    This isn’t so much a magazine as it is a support group. While it is obviously psychologically healthy for Plus sized persons to insist that they are healthy and that their weight reflects a natural human norm…the fact is that America’s exploding waist-line, rampant obesity, and health issues related to being Plus sized – argue that its far more healthy and natural to maintain a size 2-4 – not a size 10+. This is a blatant and self perpetuating effort for many individuals to declare there is nothing wrong with being overweight…it’s our natural condition and is naturally “beautiful.” The fact of the matter is that it is neither… and such self congratulatory praise for an overweight physical condition sets an unhealthy example.

  265. sjenkinsdc says

    This is a great trailer for a documentary on media and women called Miss Representation. I’m not a smapper, I just saw this yesterday and want to spread the word. It is powerful! If the link doesn’t come through you can google for ‘Miss Representation Trailer’. Highly suggest it.
    http://vimeo.com/28066212

  266. Nicole Townsend says

    It makes me laugh when fat women describe themselves as “curvey”….LOL If you have an hour-glass figure (ie, waist is small than breasts and hips) then I can buy that. That might look somewhat attractive on a big girl. However, if you have rolls all over…those are lumps…not curves. There IS a difference. Maybe part of the problem is that too many are in denial about who/what they are so they won’t do anything about changing it. I’ve been fat (5’9″ and a size 14 at my largest after I had my second child) and I was unhappy about being that size. But instead of complaining about the lack of clothing choices, I got off my big fat behind and did something about it. Novel thought, huh? Now I’m slim, fit size 4/6 and happier than ever! It’s not rocket science. MOST fat people don’t have glandular problems, they have “I can’t push my fat butt away from the table” problems.

  267. Celeste says

    @Nicole Townsend. Out of the 150 million Americans who are overweight (over 50% of the American population), how many do you know that make your statement: ” MOST fat people don’t have glandular problems, they have “I can’t push my fat butt away from the table” problems.” I think you are basing that statement on YOUR experience, which is fine. But to say “most” fat people, and in the USA alone we may be speaking of 150 million folks, I want to know how many you know and have monitored their eating habits, 100 million? It would have to be at least 75 million (half of the fat people here) to make “most” be true. Girl, you must have some rolodex and time to keep up with all of those people and what they are eating and doing in the personal lives…

  268. Celeste says

    @Nicole Townsend. Just out of curiosity, how many of the so called FAT people in the U.S.A. (about 150 million if it’s more than 50%) do you know and whose personal eating habits you’ve monitored to make the statement:
    “MOST fat people don’t have glandular problems, they have “I can’t push my fat butt away from the table” problems.” About 75 million? Wow, girl, you must have some rolodex or contact manager. Lots of time too to keep track of all those folks and what they are eating… :)

  269. Nicole Townsend says

    @Celeste

    Considering the fact that I’m in the gym working out 6 days out of the week, you’re right…I don’t have the time (or the inclination frankly) to keep track of what fat people eat. However, I did read an article (and I wish I could remember the source to cite) that was a study on the percentage of overweight people actually have glandular disorders. It stated that the actual percentage was quite small and that MOST overweight people became that way due to lack of proper exercise and poor diet. Don’t shoot the messenger….LOL

  270. Disturbed says

    @ Mary – I’ll be honest and tell you that I’ve grown so very bored of your blathering and seeming inability to see anything other than what you want to see in what I’ve said that I barely even skimmed your last response to me. It’s worth neither the time, nor the effort.

    Just to clear up something, by the way. I never said that my opinion was based upon my concern for obese people, or that I should hate them for their own good. In reality, I just really don’t care about their health anymore than a thin person’s, as I don’t even know them. You wanted to see it that, so you saw it. I care about them giving me dirty looks, when I don’t dress with my bits hanging out and I’m just going about my business or do anything that should merit that response in public, and hearing comments about the fact that I am thin. I care about articles that say I must be anorexic and turn around to say, “love your body!” (but only if you’re plus sized). I care about men coming to this site and saying how unattractive and gross thin women are and how real women have curves, and the curvy women thinking that’s just great, but God forbid a man tell an overweight woman that real women are thin. It’s all just so ridiculous. This argument FEELS ridiculous, as if I’m trying to discuss something with a child who is intent only on being right rather than anything else.

    @ Celeste – As my boyfriend said when I was asking him what he thought of the arguments on both sides of the argument regarding why people perceive the general population of overweight people, he said something to this effect as well as I can recall, “All you have to do is go to a grocery store and see the many families consisting of obese parents and obese children with carts full of 75% junk food. Now ask those parents why their families are overweight and not many will mention the junk food but they will likely tell you it’s genetics.” It’s not always “thin people” who are perpetuating the stereotypes or the attempt to bullshit everyone about something that (at least for many) is very, very obvious. He agreed with me that it’s not only obese shoppers who fill their carts with crap (and certainly thin people can be JUST as unhealthy if they eat that much junk), but if obesity is an issue for that shopper, then why fill the cart with crap that’s only going to make it worse? If people can not see the logic in it, why do you think that is? If you’re obese and you don’t fit into that category, then I’m guessing that most of the people who find issue with it aren’t talking about you, so why take such offense to something that doesn’t apply to you?

    That having been said, I still disagree with making statements like, “You can’t polish a turd.” or “You suffer from can’t push your fat ass away from the table.” Those are not statements that attempt to get a point across and end up just being hurtful.

  271. Disturbed says

    @ Jimbo – I do not agree that the model in this photo is fat, obese or terribly overweight. She is “thick” if you want to put a label on it, but she also looks like she exercises and has a good bit of muscle. I may have strong opinions on anti-thin double standards, to say that model is “fat” and would be attractive if she were thinner is very unfair.

  272. Renee W Castor says

    What about us girls stuck in between size 10 to 14. They are either two short and big or long and lean. Think Marilyn Monroe curves no one designs for that anymore. A chest, a butt, thighs (no chicken legs here)and a little waist. I am tired of taking everything I buy to the tailors.

  273. Sarah says

    I had forwarded a link to this page on my facebook site about 6 hours ago. Since then, about 15% (and counting) of my 436 friends have responded publicly or privately in response to my story. So many women try to keep up with what our media pushes as beautiful. We want to wear the clothing that the mannequin is showing us and look as good in them. I am a healthy woman. I want my children to see that no matter what they look like, if they feel good about themselves, they can accomplish anything. My friends are supporting the fact that I was courageous enough to put my weight out in the open like that. Why not? I’m proud! I look good for a mother of two who had back to back c-sections. I work hard to have the endurance to ride my bicycle 100 miles in one day. I don’t look like a runway model….I look like me. Confidence goes a long way. Anyway, below is what I posted. Thank you for what you do! :)

    “I had to pass this along to all the women in my life. I am a woman who had lost about 50 pounds two years ago. From there I had kept it all off. As most of you know, last year I started cycling and running (and pretending to swim haha). I am strong, but no matter what I eat (or don’t eat), now matter how many miles I put on these legs, my weight has remained constant at 155. My pant size went down a couple of notches, but is now maintained at a 10 (sometimes an 8). Some size 6 dresses will fit me as long as the mama hips fit in there LOL. I am telling you this because even though you will never see me on a runway, I am proud of what I have accomplished. I am considered an Athena racer because of my weight. For the life of me I don’t understand why the category exists. If you can swim .9 miles, bike 25 miles and run 6 miles you are an athlete. Heck, if you can do any one of those you are an athlete. Does it really matter that I weigh more? Is it any more difficult for me to do this than the other mothers of two who happen to weigh 135 pounds? Our bodies determine what is healthy and natural and it our jobs to keep it that way. My 2500+ miles on my bike and my 300+ miles running last year were not in vein. I embrace my 155. I will continue to change my fat to muscle, but I will not expect to look like a runway model. That “plus” size model looks pretty good to me. Thanks for listening. Time for breakfast! :)”

  274. Mary says

    @ Disturbed

    Really? You don’t care about fat women’s health? Then why did you bring it up in the first place? You keep saying the same things without making any new points. You apparently can’t legitimately discredit what I’ve said (or you would have done so already, as you’ve had ample opportunity), so you resort to calling me childish. Really? When you’re the one who’s insisting you’re right just because “you know it” but refuse to provide any proof that you are? Well.

    I would like to address something that you addressed to Celeste but was also an issue you addressed to me previously. Why do I care about people talking about a category of fat people that I am not a part of? Because it’s not like people ask me which category I’m in before ridiculing me. People don’t stop and ask me whether my weight issues come from genetic/glandular problems before spouting the stereotype at me that I’m overweight and therefore I must overeat all the time and sit around like a slug. The people (and not just teenagers) who have deemed it appropriate to moo at me in public didn’t ask me about my health history before deciding it was okay to moo at me. Sure my thyroidectomy scar is visible but most of the people I interact with that don’t know me personally (but still have no issue with approaching me and giving me dieting/exercise advice!) haven’t seemed to know what it means/is from.

    Why would I care about a group I’m not a part of? Because people treat me like I am a part of it.

    That’s actually one of the things I just don’t understand. You rail about people assuming that you are in the category of thin women that starve themselves/is anorexic. Yet you assume, without knowing a fat person’s medical history, that they are in the category of overeaters/sloths. Can’t you see these are one in the same thing, that they are both stereotypes? And if you’re so against the stereotypes of thin people, why do you perpetrate similar stereotypes about fat people? If you are against double standards, why do you perpetuate them?

    I do see a glimmer of hope, though. Thank you for saying the following:

    “That having been said, I still disagree with making statements like, “You can’t polish a turd.” or “You suffer from can’t push your fat ass away from the table.” Those are not statements that attempt to get a point across and end up just being hurtful.”

    and for your comment to Jimbo.

    That gives me hope that you may have actually, finally got it, or at least a part of it. *applauds* (In all seriousness, no sarcasm at all intended. Really! I swear.)

    @ Nicole

    I don’t even know where to begin with your comment. I thought Disturbed was being hateful and bigoted to fat people…but your comments…wow. I wish you could find that article and post it for us. I would be very interested to see the source of it, to see if Kate Harding is right that if you scratch the surface of articles like that, you find a press release from a weight-loss company. Interestingly enough, I found an article that disputes your position with a simple 20 second google search: http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/09/09/the-real-cause-of-obesity.html

    @ RPC in Hawaii

    I’ve said it all before in previous comments, so I’m not going to reiterate it for you. Aside from pointing out that I personally nearly died at a size seven which was the lowest size I’ve ever been – and thus the statement “size 2-4 is healthy” is an oxymoron to me (and I bet I’m not the only one) – all I’ll say is stereotypes, stereotypes, stereotypes. I highly suggest you read at least some of the articles I’ve posted links to. They will likely prove highly educational. If you actually read them.

    @ Tiffay

    I agree that overeating and sitting around all day without any health reasons for the second part of that is disgusting. (If you’re in traction for example, you’re obviously going to be sitting – or laying – around all day.) However please prove your statement that most fat people are like this. And by “prove,” I mean provide actual proof, not a simple “I’ve seen it” or “everyone knows this is true.” Otherwise your argument has no merit and is just perpetuating a stereotype that it is long past it’s welcome.

    @ Judy, Jimbo, please see above and all of my previous comments.

  275. Heidi says

    Interesting, I just got back from a very tiring day of shopping – what I found was in many “a list” stores, plain and simple the sizes are smaller – how can it be I go some places and I am an 8 and others I am a 14 – that just does not add up. I totally agree, models although many beautiful in their own right are expected to be far to small; granted there are those who cant help it high metabolism etc but the industry is boarding on insanity with their expectations. All women are shaped differently, plan and simple but many retailers focus on one body type, rather discouraging for a girl with a little more in the chest and in the trunk! So all you “large” girls – flaunt what you got don’t be ashamed to be yourself…. you’re beautiful!

  276. Robin says

    I don’t agree with fat people not being able to push themselves away from the table. I don’t eat very much but I am a size 18. Everyone is different and gain weight for different reasons. There is to much stereotyping about fat people and I don’t agree with that.

  277. LadyParseltongue says

    We see everyone complaining about telling fashion designers to cater for plus size and everyday normal people but how many of you think of the fashion world as something unique, something just out of the reach as ordinary? Maybe the fashion industry should stay like that, only 1% of the population of girls’ body are ideal to be a model. If we were to open up this world everyday people like you and me would be able to jump into something and roam the runways. I know of many fashion designers who have tried to cater to larger girls but it just doesn’t work, when was the last time you went into a sale store and found that the racks only had size 12-18s? These clothes that the fashion designers have created are not getting sold! They do not gain any profit from doing this so they return to creating pieces aimed at smaller women. Personally I like to see things out of the ordinary from magazines which i pay to buy. If i wanted normal people in clothes i would just go out onto the streets and stare for a while. The fashion industry is a world of its own.

  278. AriZoraida says

    These arguments are absolutely ridiculous for so many reasons

    1) Nobody is saying put unhealthy people in magazines, in fact they are saying just the opposite. Teenagers read magazines, young people in general read magazines. Teenagers are getting the wrong idea of what they should be from these magazines. Young girls barely reaching adolescence should not be bombarded by photos of women so ridiculously tiny that it makes girls reevaluate their sizes constantly. The women in magazines do not even begin to represent REAL women and what REAL women look like. There is just a need for a balancing act. Can anybody honestly say that a size 6 is obese? No, because a size 6, is a healthy size. For some crazy reason a size 6 is being considered a plus size, which it is not. All that is being said is let REAL people be on the covers of magazines. People of all shapes and sizes not just one size.

    2) It is impossible to tell someone’s health history by looking at them. You cannot tell someone whether they are healthy or not unless you are their doctor. If we really look closely at the causes of obesity, we can discuss how cheap processed, sodium, and carb filled food is, and how society’s lower middle class end’s up the biggest. But it seems that a lot of you are not to interested in the facts of size and how it really happens.

    3) I am a pretty active person. I do enjoy junk food, but you know what else I enjoy? 3-day backpacking trips, horseback riding, rafting, walking my dog, swimming, working with kids, and for some reason I am 200 pounds and have been for years. Oh wait I remember why, weight, is not always based on health, there are MANY reasons a person can be plus-sized.

    4) Most models have pretty high metabolisms and work out constantly, it is their job, but what about the people with multiple jobs and multiple kids? They do not have time to spend all day in the gym. What about the people with slow metabolisms? They can workout and do, but they are not going to ever be a size 0, unless they have no job, no other life, and spend all their lives in a gym.

  279. Di says

    Holly’s right.
    Accept one another as we are, accept ourselves as we are.
    And, Manufacturers, stop downsizing the clothing, you’re helping create a culture of denial.
    I have always been a size 8 in all stores until now, now in Gap, I’m a size 1.
    Some stores are changing clothing sizes to flatter the ego of women who are, in the main eating too much, now that we are all so much wealthier in the western world and can afford to eat what ever we want. For those of you without health problems, Girls it’s time you learned to handle your wealth.
    How far is this going to go, are they going to marginalize slim women by further down sizing clothing so we become, -1 or -2 so they can stoke the ego of people who are in the main, clearly being greedy. Decieving women over the correct size of their clothes is making overweight women look pathetic and delusional, and is ignoring slim women’s rights to wear their correct sized clothing. We have feelings too.
    Being honest about your true dress size is a good monitor on over/under consumption. And for the few of us at both ends of the spectrum who can’t help the size we are, lets just enjoy and make the best of what we are.
    Models: In intellect we have a standard/model of intelligence to aspire to that most of us never reach, and we don’t fall apart or go into depression if we don’t attain that ideal. Clothing looks better on tall, slim models, be thankful for the ideal, live with it and adapt fashion to suit your own figure. We can’t all be perfect but we can be the very best of who we are.

  280. Maggy says

    Are there any plus size models with short hair? It seems that having long sexy hair helps these women appear attractive in the larger western culture sense… But are they still sexy when they have short close cropped hair or does that throw off the balance of their womanly figures. What I mean is that long hair helps the proportions of the head and upper body balance out the bottom into an hour glass, but without that extra oomph, is it still consider attractive. I’ve also noticed personally that long hair helps a weak or double chin appear stronger and leaner as the hair cuts into that space… Ah, I’m just rambling now.

  281. Grace Dressler says

    How about the other side of the issue? I am naturally thin. I have ALWAYS had a problem GAINING weight. I was 98 lbs until I turned 40 yrs old. Even after giving birth to 4 children. I don’t starve myself, I have a great appetite AND I love food! I am now 48 yrs old, I’m 5 ft 2 inches & I weigh 112 lbs. I am SOOOO sick of the insults aimed toward thin women; body like a stick, body like a child, skinny, the list goes on & on…. Or how about the phrase real women have curves, which implies that if a woman is thin she can’t possibly have curves? My (approximate) measurements : 34-23-40. I am not TOO thin, I am not a stick, I DO not have the body of a child. And frankly I am sick of the insults. What about MY self-confidence AND that of the countless other thin women and teens? Ironically the MAJORITY of the insults ALWAYS come from “larger” (in society’s eyes) women. ***** I posted the above comment on their FB pg and it keeps disappearing! I wonder why?

  282. Lillian says

    “What’s the problem here? She is a sexy curvacious woman! I would rather bang a girl with a bit of chub on her than a stupid scrawny stick figure.”

    “Fit is hot. Skinny is not.”

    Thanks to comments like this, my very thin (teenager) sister is having a very hard time. She started eating a lot, including junk food, because she’s very thin and has a hard time finding clothes that fit her. People also make fun of her for being skinny. She loves skirts but doesn’t wear them because she thinks she looks awful in them. She’s a stick figure, but I think she’s beautiful just the way she is. I also have “plus size” friends, beautiful girls too! Why so much hate? Seriously, stop it. Some people are skinny because they are anorexic, other people are fat because they are lazy and eat way too much. But many people don’t choose being skinny/fat, that’s just the way they are.

    I’m very thin myself, and all my life people laughed at me and said I was ugly because I didn’t look like a “real woman” (I read a comment from another person with a similar story here). I don’t care much about what people say, I know I’m healthy and that’s what’s important to me. Sadly, other people (like my sister) do not see it that way.

  283. Lillian says

    threadhot1 : We big girls gotta stik 2gether right? ;)

    Hell no!! ALL girls (people, in general) gotta stik 2gether!! Stop dividing!! I’m a skinny person and still love plus size women!! Come on, don’t segregate yourselves, we all should support all shapes and sizes.

  284. Curvey_Diva says

    I have curves and I am proud of it. My boobs are real and not filled with artificial materials–unlike the models who have had plastic surgery. I can turn heads in a heartbeat in my jeans and sweaters. I am 44 years old and have boy toys who are in their late 20’s & early 30’s. I am a size 18 L; 5′ 9″ and sporting a 44DD chest …….

    And Baby, I am not going anywhere…..So, go ahead and knock us plus size girls, we’re having fun with your husbands, brothers, and maybe your sons……

    meow…..

  285. Celeste says

    @Disturbed:

    He agreed with me that it’s not only obese shoppers who fill their carts with crap (and certainly thin people can be JUST as unhealthy if they eat that much junk), but if obesity is an issue for that shopper, then why fill the cart with crap that’s only going to make it worse? If people can not see the logic in it, why do you think that is? If you’re obese and you don’t fit into that category, then I’m guessing that most of the people who find issue with it aren’t talking about you, so why take such offense to something that doesn’t apply to you?

    EMPATHY. Do you think you have any? (I’m not being sarcastic here). Whether it applies to me or not, I do not want to see people mistreated, misjudged or abused. As I said to someone else, of the 150 million supposedly overweight/obese people in the U.S.A. how many do you know and how many have you monitored? You read something in an article, yet you accept it for gospel truth and judge people you don’t even know. I try to avoid making judgments about people who I don’t know, and accepting any old article as truth. I actually started thinking about this and wondering how does anybody even know about what is happening with this obesity epidemic? I just spent the weekend in NYC and was looking around to see if 1/2 the people I saw were overweight. Honestly, out of the thousands I saw maybe 10% were. So I don’t know where the figures are coming from. Considering 25 million people do not even have health insurance it’s not like they can get statistics on the entire country. And are doctors allowed to give out those statistics? But that’s getting off topic.

    The reason why I am defending the plus sized women on here is because I think all women regardless of their size deserve nice and well made clothes. Period. I am not going to tell another person what they should eat, what is wrong with them etc. It is frankly, none of my business. But I do not want to see them put down without saying something because some people feel like they have the right to tell other people what to wear, what to eat, how to live their lives. I cannot stop you or anyone else from doing so, but I can voice my disapproval of it. With freedom of speech, if you have the right to put people down, I have the right to say it’s wrong and to defend them.

  286. Disturbed says

    @ Curvey_Diva

    “we’re having fun with your husbands”

    Really? Did you really just allude to being a promiscuous home-wrecker in an attempt to show that you love yourself? That has nothing to with size and everything to do with an utter lack of a moral compass – thin women screw around with someone else’s husband and exercise poor sexual standards, too, but it’s nothing for anyone to be proud of. It sounds like what people think of your weight should be the least of your concerns.

    I guess my natural A cup and my less curvy frame isn’t enough for all these men who apparently don’t have any respect for their wives and in direct relation, for their children (those who have them), and surprisingly enough, I’m perfectly happy that it’s not me they desire. :) Like goes with like, doesn’t it?

  287. Quinn says

    I read this article on Facebook and I was pleased at some parts and concerned with others. I think more articles addressing women and body issues should be more balanced. In the attempt to have women love and embrace themselves and question the unrealistic demand that we all look perfect and skinny, some articles sometimes go overboard and shame skinny women or praise larger women of any size. Shouldn’t articles simple stress the need for a healthy lifestyle? Being over size 16 is, to be honest, an indication that one could be at risk for many health-related issues, so an article could provide examples of women who are this size and healthy, but also statistics of women who are not and the factors that increase health risks. They could also do the same for women who are considered underweight. That way, we could feel more accepting of not only ourselves, but of people who look different from us.

    I say this because I’m tired of my skinny friends making derogatory comments about people who are heavier; of bigger people putting me down for being skinny; of people starving themselves/overeating and then complaining about how unhappy they are but how they refuse to look after themselves … How about we teach our children to think carefully and critically at an early age, to be confident in themselves and loving towards others, and to know how to care for their bodies without lashing out at others?

    My apologies if these thoughts have been posted already; I didn’t get a chance to read all of your comments!

  288. Single Much says

    I’m appalled by the majority of the negative comments here. WHY on earth do you come on to a PLUS SIZE MAGAZINE to post negative thoughts about plus size people. Are you THAT bored in your life. I also find it amusing that people like @Jo claim to know how models live their lives. Oh, I’m sorry, did you date one of them? Is that how you know? I’ll bet that’s it.

    If you are a plus size woman more power to ya for coming on a magazine site that is AIMED AT YOU and sharing your opinion. If you are a man or thin woman WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?! We don’t sign on to your ugly people sites and make half witted comments about you. Get a life, seriously.

  289. Minx says

    Personally, I think everyone should take care of themselves, and let others do the same. Some people are skinny, some fat and some in between. So what? If you have the ability to change the way you are and want to (or need to) then do it. If you like yourself the way you are and want to stay that way, then stay. Be true to YOURSELF. Too many people are trying to be coaches or weight terrorists in today’s society. Too skinny, too fat, to boyish, too curvy…etc. Make it a goal to know your own body. Be YOU. If your trying to make yourself feel better by making rude remarks or being a jerk…get a life and shut up. Better yet, GO AWAY!

  290. LCC says

    Maybe even more annoying than the infighting in these comments between women of different shapes and sizes – all the ones from men assuring us that they love us when we’re curvy. But not TOO curvy. Don’t lose too much weight because they hate us when we’re skinny! But don’t gain too much either because ew, fatties! It doesn’t feel any better than being told we must be slim. We’re still being expected to maintain a very specific standard for men – it just has a few more pounds than other standards do.

  291. Grace Dressler says

    @ SIngle Much – What right do YOU have to tell people what sites they can go on? Not that its any of your business, but I ended up on this site after reading the article in the NY Daily News. This issue concerns ALL women not just YOU. Thin women are ALSO expected to live up to ridiculous standards. Its not healthy for their self-esteem either.Not only that but it concerns society as a whole. This issue affects everyone! I’m not condoning any insults made by other posters, but your comments were directed towards ALL the thin women AND men on this site. How dare you tell anyone what they can or can’t read OR comment on? People like YOU are part of the problem. You expect fair treatment, concern for your self-esteem, respect, etc BUT you don’t give those things to others.

  292. Single Much says

    @Grace I’m sorry to have so TERRIBLY offended you. I am of course in NO WAY telling anyone what they can and can’t do. I’m simply commenting on the NEGATIVE comments that are on here. In fact, I didn’t even read what you said so you needn’t think it was an attack on you. I rarely make comments at all on articles like this and you have just reminded me why. I’m actually quite secure in my mild chubbiness so I was really just trying to stick up for others. Again, let no good deed go unpunished.

  293. Grace Dressler says

    @ Single Much- I was not TERRIBLY offended by what you said. I don’t know you so your opinion is not that important to me. As for your goal being to defend people against negative comments, if that is so then why did you say,”If you are a man or thin woman WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?! We don’t sign on to your ugly people sites and make half witted comments about you. Get a life, seriously.” You directed that comment to ALL the thin women and men here, NOT just the one’s making negative comments. Also, what did you mean by “ugly people websites?” As for your comment, “I rarely make comments at all on articles like this and you have just reminded me why.” Was my post really so offensive to you that you regret commenting OR will refrain from commenting in the future? I truly don’t understand WHY some people feel its okay to stick up for SOME people by insulting OTHERS. You don’t (or at least shouldn’t) bring yourself UP by putting others DOWN.

  294. Single Much says

    @Grace this will be my last response because this is ridiculous. You seem pretty upset. You cared enough about my first comment to respond to it. My comment about ‘ugly people websites’ was supposed to be a joke. I’m sorry if you didn’t find it humorous. Further more, I did not mean to direct my comment at anyone except for the haters again, apologies that you don’t agree. I’m not trying to put anyone down….period. And I’m really not about to spend my day off fighting with people online, because that’s pathetic. Clearly I should have someone edit my comments for me as to make sure I don’t piss anyone off. Good day.

  295. Grace Dressler says

    @ Single Much- You’re right, it is pointless, ridiculous and a waste of time. Again, I was not that upset, I don’t have to be VERY upset to comment on something. As for having someone edit your comments, you are being ridiculous and dramatic.It seems that you are the only one that feels that this is such a big deal.

  296. LRay says

    You know, not all of us “plus size” girls can help the way we are. You tell me how I, a size 10/12 depending on the store, should reduce my size when you can see my ribs. Repeat, I am a size 10/12 and you can see my ribs. Sometimes we just can’t help the way we are.

    And by the way, before you tell me to exercise, I was a collegiate athlete and continue to work out. So when you can run 10 miles faster than I can, maybe I’ll listen to you.

  297. Noe says

    I am a 28 year old mother of 2 toddlers 1yr and 3yrs and am a plus size woman size 20. I have been so since childhood. I find it difficult to cope because there is a preconception of beauty, people always suggesting i loose weight or trim down a bit it’s irritating to be honest, I have come a long way trying to accept myself as beautiful the way i am. It would definitely go a long way if plus size models were just that ‘plus size’ so i can see how well the clothes fit on some one just like me and also it will help society to accept and recognize us as beautiful despite our size. Plus size women are people too they have emotions and want to be beautiful and well dressed in stylish clothes as well just as the petites. Thank you for speaking out for us.

  298. Sylph says

    Speaking as an ex runway model ca 1975-1990…and today a much happier and healthier size 14/BMI 27…if todays anorexic gals are eating right,exercising and not doing practices against their health to maintain their skinny size, well more power to them…their career as a “human clothes hanger”, which is exactly what all models are, is generally short-lived and hopefully profitable for them. But…I sincerely doubt most of them aren’t practicing something that is bad for them. If they let nature take it’s course, they will naturally add the pounds as time goes on…just prepare for another career in the meantime. I was fortunate to model during the days when fabrics were real, design was the best and classic, mostly before the advent of MTV which required models to be an extra 10 lbs thinner ( the camera adds another 10 lbs to the finished product). Designers have finally caught on to the plus size market out of financial necessity..and those who haven’t don’t care about ready to wear anyhow. So don’t be taken in by the marketing ladies…wear what makes you feel good and is right for your body!

  299. Carl Bartel says

    I would like to express my viewpoint on our increasingly sizeist (I pretty sure I just made up that word. It refers to the discrimination and hatred people face because of their size.) I am what the stores refer to as a “Big and Tall” man. After reading the article about plus size models and how they are getting smaller and smaller. It doesn’t make sense to put clothes on people who were never intended to wear them. And ladies, it’s not just you that it affects. If you look at “Big and Tall” advertising you’ll notice none of those men is “big” . They may be tall but I guarantee there isn’t a man in those ads with a waist bigger than 32 inches. I myself have a 48 inch waist. Think those clothes look the same on me? No, and it seems that the clothes that DO fit me all make me look like I’m a middle aged golfer. (Golf shirts and pleated khakis are NOT fashionable.) I’m in my late thirties and would really love to wear graphic tees or designer jeans, not pants with an elastic waist!!!! With over 60% of the country considered “obese” when is the fashion industry gonna wake up and realize that there’s a lot more money to be made by catering to the majority of citizens. And by the way, being large does not automatically make you unhealthy. I am a very active person who just happens to naturally carry more weight. I don’t feel the need to starve myself and exercise to the point of injury just so I can shop at American Eagle Outfitters. One more thing….I once applied at Abercrombie & Fitch and was told I didn’t fit the build of the type of person they want to hire. Since when did a body type matter when working retail? The worst part is that society seems to be endorsing this hatred of large people. Sad. Very sad.

  300. skinnymini says

    In my opinion, I think all woman should be able to look at there self in the mirror, and be proud of what they look like. Not compare there self to under weight models most magazine think are they most beautiful people out there. I’d feed them all cheeseburgers. Point is anyways, be happy with how you look. Unfortunately I am 5’3 and 95lbs. I wanna be 115lbs. But having Crohn’s Disease just makes it not happen. If I were a plus size, I’d be happy.

  301. Jara says

    Nothing is wrong with Plus size women, its the media that tells us that anorexia is sexy. I CHEER Kate Winslet, and Belinda Carlisle for being real women, AND two if the sexiest women on the planet…

  302. Grace Dressler says

    How about the other side of the issue? I am naturally thin. I have ALWAYS had a problem GAINING weight. I was 98 lbs until I turned 40 yrs old. Even after giving birth to 4 children. I don’t starve myself, I have a great appetite AND I love food! I am now 48 yrs old, I’m 5 ft 2 inches & I weigh 112 lbs. I am SOOOO sick of the insults aimed toward thin women; body like a stick, body like a child, skinny, the list goes on & on…. Or how about the phrase real women have curves, which implies that if a woman is thin she can’t possibly have curves? My (approximate) measurements : 34-23-40. I am not TOO thin, I am not a stick, I DO not have the body of a child. And frankly I am sick of the insults. What about MY self-confidence AND that of the countless other thin women and teens? Ironically the MAJORITY of the insults ALWAYS come from “larger” (in society’s eyes) women.
    Ir’s funny but I have always had a problem buying clothes. Before reading all the comments here, I always assumed that plus-size women had it easy when it comes to buying clothes (because whenever I shop for clothes I only see sizes that are way too big for me). I can’t shop in the woman’s dept because the clothes are always far too big/wide AND the pants are usually too long. I went shopping a few weeks ago and I tried on almost every pair (meaning every brand) of yoga pants in the store, even the x-small were too big, except ONE pair & they were about 4 inches too long. I rarely find jeans that fit, the smaller sizes – 0 -1-3 are too small, I can’t even get them over my hips (so tight I’m afraid they will rip if I tried to pull them all the way up). A size five will go over my hips, BUT they’re about 6 inches too big in the waist, you can actually see right down my pants! SO, if I can’t find clothes and all of you can’t find clothes – WHO are the clothes manufacturers making clothes for?

  303. says

    I just posted an article in my blog called, “Am I Really Fat? (the nude photos)” When I was 25 and a size 4 I was told I had “cellulite” by my then-boyfriend. I wanted to have liposuction and I was 5′ 6 1/2″ and 125 lbs. Now I’m 46-years old and 140 lbs. and have been wanting a tummy tuck even though I am well within my healthy BMI. I’ve decided NOT TO LOSE WEIGHT! At my link are the nudes I took when I thought I was fat…
    http://thewomanformerlyknownasbeautiful.com/2012/01/am-i-really-fat-my-nude-shots.html

  304. says

    I will keep this short:

    I work as a photographer part time:
    I refuse to shoot models who look “Anorexic”.
    I believe women are naturally curvy and are quite beautiful in their natural form.
    Don’t got me wrong, I have shot with some beautiful slim girls, but if you look like a toothpick then you have no room in my portfolio.

    Regards, Nick

  305. says

    In my opinion people who sit and create arguements because someone is thinner than you, and because someone is fatter than you are extremely pointless ways to get your kicks.

    If you have a problem PERSONALLY with your weight try and fix it and don’t take it out on people who are proud of their bodies/have the body you want! If you are overweight then obviously you are not healthy, the amount of health factors obesity/weight problems have on your life expectancy/ your childrens weight / statistics for depression. They are all related. Same goes for people who intentionally starve themselves or do not eat healthily and lead an active lifestyle.

    @Single Much, how the hell would you know? of course models take care of themselves! they are models for gods sake! They don’t wake up in the morning and go, ah i have a photoshoot today; let’s go to McDonalds first.
    And who the hell are you to tell people if they are a man or a thin woman if they are allowed to come onto this site? Does it say ‘only for people in a plus size.’ No? Thought not.

  306. Ardently says

    I’m 5’2″ 79lbs and I’m actually suffering from Anorexia Nervosa; so this statement bothered me.
    “Most runway models meet the Body Mass Index physical criteria for Anorexia.”
    What is that supposed to imply? The physical criteria for Anorexia as of right now is being under 85% of your ideal weight. In simple terms having a BMI lower than 17.5, but that’s do to change in the DSM, as BMI is not exactly 100% accurate. It does not even take muscle into account. This statement seem just there to sensationalize. “BMI ranges”, “healthy weights” are there for reference but they aren’t stone clad guidelines for everyone. People are unqiue in muscle, and bone mass. Many people can be perfectly healthy with a BMI of less than 17.5. So saying a bunch of models are at or under this magical number doesn’t mean crap.

    Now if their bodies look emaciated, if they actually are Anorexic, that would be the real issue. A fault within the people hiring, using and then targeting the masses to look like these models. The models them selves aren’t at fault though, if they are suffering from Anorexia. It’s an eating disorder, a mental illness, one with the highest rate of death out of all mental illnesses. There is a serious problem when the media it’s self is saying we should look like that. I here a lot of people say “ew she looks anorexic.” “anorexic bitch”…if these girls are anorexic, it’s not really helping the cause. Why be so angry at the disordered models?
    If they aren’t disordered than why be angry at all, they obviously are just naturally thin then. Either way its all about what the media is promoting. Personally I think it should be promoting health and diversity. If the models look healthy there shouldn’t be a problem. There is sickly thin and then there is morbidly obese. Ideally people can be healthy skimming underweight, normal weight and over weight. Obese, morbidly obese and servery underweight most likely aren’t very healthy, I should know. People buying the products are all different sizes and shapes though. Beauty is relative, health is absolute though. I may have an altered perception of myself, but I know what it is to be healthy and what that means. I’d want a healthy ideal to be promoted, for my family and friends, for children and teens to look up to.

  307. Lauren says

    How about this concept? One body type is not better than the other; Women are hot in general. Big, small, in between. Why do we feel like we need to tear down skinny women in order to make big women feel better? (And vice versa!) Lets tune out the media, and all this ridiculousness about which body image is better, and focus on tolerance of others and acceptance of ourselves?? Ladies, its time to stop acting like we are all crabs in a bucket, trying to claw our way to the top. The truth is that we are bombarded with images and ideas of what we are supposed to look like so that we are forever in a rat race to attain some impossible image of beauty, all so that we purchase more clothes, skin creams, diet pills, makeup, the list goes on and on and on. Who cares?

  308. Oana says

    I do not agree with plus size models. They are not healthy and they promote the idea that being overweight is ok. It is not ok. That is what food companies want to you think so you can eat more fast food, and chips and snacks.
    You do not get overweight by eating healthy, normal portions and exercising. If you do that it’s impossible to be anywhere over a size 10.
    I am 5’0”, I exercise 3 times a week and eat 1700 calories a day. I am unable to find pants in US because the only ones that fit me are a size 0 and even those are too loose on the waist. And I am not anorexic, my legs are rather thick for my height and my butt an idea too large.

  309. Kat says

    Why can’t we stop calling each other anorexic or fat and be happy calling each other women? I’m tired of women calling me a stick or telling me to “eat a sandwich” and I’m tired of hearing people tell other women to “put the fork down” or saying “You’d look so pretty if you just lost weight.” We really don’t need any of this. All it does is breed hate and ruin self esteem. As long as you exercise and eat a healthy diet, it shouldn’t matter what you weigh. We are all beautiful.

  310. Kate says

    Oana, most of the plus size models I’ve seen are not what I would call “overweight”. They look healthy and more natural than “normal” models. Your comments about becoming overweight and impossibilities is startlingly inaccurate. There are such things as health concerns that affect weight-loss/gain even if someone is living a healthy lifestyle.

  311. Kirsten says

    I’m 20 years old, a stay at home mom. I just has my first baby. I’m 5’2″ before i was pregnant i was 150lbs now, after my baby, i’m 5’2″ 170lbs. I used to fit a size 10 now i think i’m a size 15… I was always called “Fat” “Obese” “Fat Cow” since I was 14years old. I was always self concious, until I saw this and now I realize that size doesn’t matter. Now, looking at these Plus size models, I kinda wished I could be one.

  312. says

    “Twenty years ago the average fashion model weighed 8% less than the average woman. Today, she weighs 23% less.”

    This statement really makes me wonder. Why is it relevant?

    The average fashion model may have gained weight over the past twenty years, and this statistic could still be true if women on average gained more weight.

    I am more interested in finding out what the average model weighs now compared to then, and what the average woman weighs now compared to then.

    Another problem with this comparison is that if we’re only looking at weight, we don’t account for weight due to greater height or muscle mass.

    For example: if there was an increase in midget modelling (sorry I’m not PC) that could account for a decrease in weight without an actual reduction in average BMI of BF%

  313. Orangebear says

    There are few plus sized models because, to be frank. Nobody wants to see it. Nobody wants to see your rolls or your thunder thighs or your chubby cheeks or your butt cleavage. We just don’t. Models and skinny because skinny people look better in most clothes. Nobody wants to see a plus sized girl squeeze into a pair of super skinny print leggings. The world doesn’t have to accommodate to you! You aren’t the norm in the fashion universe and you never will be. When you go on a diet and run a couple of miles instead or whining about how the world sees you, we’ll talk. Until then, stay out of my Vouge magazine.

  314. Helga says

    Of course there are naturally people of all shapes and sizes – larger, smaller and in between. But this article is clearly aimed at all of those women who constantly feel there is something wrong with their body if they are not thin, underweight even, and feel they should aspire to achieve this when it is unrealistic or impossible to do so – because that is what we are dealing with at the moment. It’s nice to see images of plus size models portrayed in an attractive way. At least it helps to break the mould… The issue of health is surely slightly different – of course health promotion is also important, but the issue with fashion images is more the image of beauty they represent as acceptable and attractive, like it or not.

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  316. Lea says

    I am personally concerned with the fact that the average woman in America is a size 14 or larger. Just as it is very very unhealthy for these girls to be so skinny and underweight it is equally as concerning that the majority of the country is a size 14. We have an unhealthy relationship with food on both ends. People who are starving themselves and also those who use food as more then nutritious fuel. We need balance and vital health to be the norm, and just cause most women are a size 16 doesn’t make that a good thing.

  317. steph says

    I’m well within the non-plus size spectrum, but I am pretty disappointed in our society/culture when I read that 50% of women are treated as unfit for being customers at certain stores. I was brought up in such a way that my body is a relatively small size, but that was essentially luck of the draw. I have a friend who is a wonderful girl, she is plus-sized, who confided in my about the issues she encountered when shopping for clothes, trying to ride roller coasters, etc. I love her dearly and it makes me so angry that a prejudice against larger bodies exists to the detriment of many innocents’ self-esteem.

    There may be an issue to be discussed when it comes to weight management in this country, sure, but the reigning overall lifestyle of unhealthy eating habits and sedentariness result from gross oversights in our cultural mindset. If we could embrace people, ourselves and others, for who they are instead of projecting our own self-hate onto people and discriminating against what we’re afraid of in ourselves (supposed flaws), I imagine we’d come much closer to the health profile that is best for us, but that goal is separate from the number on clothing tags or the scale. I’m glad a publication like this exists to counter the poisonous filth spewed forth by the fashion industry and other like-minded ‘beauty’-oriented fields.

    For a time, I was caught-up in looking at ‘fashion’ photos of beautiful, TINY models, but it would leave me sickened with self-criticism. I much prefer images of real women like what your magazine has. I haven’t explored this site before, but from what I have seen so far I am fully in support of it and a little more trusting now that we can, as a culture, pull our heads out of our asses and begin to approach things from a much healthier perspective.

    So, thanks for doing what you do.

  318. Phil says

    Just to say that I find Katya beautiful and healthy , and would be desperate if my daughter would have the same skinny arms than the other girl. I wish her to put some flesh on her bones , and to look as beautiful as Katya one day !

  319. says

    I have to be honest, I’m not a plus size. But i do appreciate the message of this advertising campaign. Honestly I wish all magazines were as bold as the plus sized mags in defying the status quo and embracing what a true woman looks like. Sickly images of supermodels that are photoshopped till they look healthy again is not a message that should be conveyed (ya I’m talking about Alessandra Ambrosio) I hope someday we can change this stigma.

  320. Di-chan says

    @Oana

    are you SERIOUS?

    ” You do not get overweight by eating healthy, normal portions and exercising. If you do that it’s impossible to be anywhere over a size 10. ”

    I was in the military at age 18, I ran 5 miles a day, stuck to a military-strict diet, and did daily training in full military dress blues in the heat.

    At that time, i weighed 160 lbs @ a height 5’11”, and was a large size 14. My ribs & spine showed. My collar bone poked out. The bones in my arms stuck out.

    You are effing insane.

  321. Jaime Hunter says

    Personally, I am a very skinny woman and I don’t like it. I have always been a size 8 or under and I have miserably skinny arms and legs. I’ve been trying to put on weight for years so that I can have beautiful, thick arms and legs. Go plus size chicks! Wish I were 1 of you!

  322. Phil says

    Jaime , do not give up ! As a man , I like the curves of my wife and understand how you may feel frustrated if you consider your body ,arms and legs to skinny.
    Try the best you can to put some weight. Take care.

  323. mmm says

    As long as a woman remains14 or under in size health wise is ok and it still looks good too!

  324. hollybearking says

    ___I have an idea. Instead of trying to make everyone ‘feel’ better, why not keep it real, lovingly and tactfully? I understand that plus sized people (like myself) want to feel okay about who we are but, there are two things we can do about that BESIDES forcing everyone else to like us. Nobody wants to be forced to do anything but, rather led to. The best example is government regulation. If we win people over, they will see our point, if we force it, we’ve just shoved it down their throat and if we don’t like that done to us, why do it to others? People either like you for who you are or they don’t.
    ___Plus size women are beautiful too but how many times do we complain about a 10 or 12 being considered plus sized? Why not change that to fit the new model; both the standard and the women? If size 14-16-18 become the new border to plus size, then maybe we can show clothing on a runway that real women may wear. And just think, this is a win-win! The industry actually makes more money selling to people who buy their product and we get represented better in the industry. Additionally, we open up to more designers and more styles that actually reflect real lifestyle.
    ___An additional idea is to recognize that being TOO BIG (yes, I said it) is unhealthy. This is hard on the body and even the family of the person that feels it’s okay to weigh whatever I want because I have the right to? You have the right to do whatever, but that doesn’t mean it’s intelligent to do so. So, consider the fact that although women of ANY size still need to dress and want to look pretty doing it, we can’t keep glamorizing unhealthy obesity anymore than unhealthy anorexia, etc. Any extreme is unhealthy and should not be celebrated. Even skinny women with eating disorders are unhappy and unhealthy and that is sad no matter what size you are.
    ___Thanks for allowing me the freedom to express my thoughts in a free country with my right to free speech protected by the Constitution.

  325. Octavia says

    I am a size 18 and i dont wish to become a size 8. I love my curves and thank God for keeping me in good health daily. And I appreciate the message in this advertising campaign.

  326. Charon says

    _I don’t understand why we are still having these conversations. I have a skinny friend, shes beautiful even with very little curves. I also have friends like me who are plus sized. Sure, there are things I am working on because they aren’t my favorite parts of my body (thighs and arms) , but I’ve come to love myself. I’ve never hated another woman because she is skinny. Skinny women say that plus size women attack them. We don’t. Many people, especially men, attack us for having cellulite here, or a dimple on our butts, or some belly flab. As a result, we say that we would rather have curves, butt, thighs, hips, and boobs then none at all. I am one of those people. If you are naturally skinny, good for you. And i understand how being really skinny and trying to find clothes is hard, but to be honest there probably aren’t alot of women who wear a size smaller than an XXS or a 00. But, in 2012 there are alot of women who wear a 12+.
    _It’s taking me a long time to be comfortable with who I am. Now in my 20s I can say I am finally comfortable with who I am. It’s not just clothes that make it hard to be bigger, It’s also peoples attitudes towards bigger women. Now the craze is to be “thick”, but even being thick has restrictions. You have to look like Kim Kardashian. you have to have a tiny waist, big butt, and big boobs. Thats not realistic. Women have cellulite, some flab,and stretch marks.
    _For me, I’m trying to be healthy. Not for anyone else, but for myself. I work out 4-5times a week, and I try to be healthy. But you know what? If i want a burger, i’ll eat one. Same goes for a salad. I’m not going to restrict myself.

  327. renniechick says

    To the topic of the article… there is nothing wrong with plus sized bodies. I wish there were more models in the mainstream that actually ARE plus size instead of the industry’s version of plus at a size 8-10.
    However, it seems that a lot of the comments have gone the typical way of skinny vs fat girls. Guess what ladies? We’re all beautiful! It doesn’t matter if you’re a size 0 or a size 20.

  328. Rob Arsenault says

    The answer to this particular question is very simple; nothing is wrong…nothing at all. Great site.
    Rob

  329. Meg says

    People who are saying there shouldn’t be plus sized models because they don’t think it’s OK to condone obesity are missing the point, what the fashion industry considers plus size (ie fat, ie not as good as thin) is NOT OBESE. I doubt most docotors would look at a woman who is 5 ft 10 and a size 8 and tell them they needed to loose weight (unless there was some underlying medical issue). But, the fashion industry treats these women as if there is something wrong with them. Also, there is nothing wrong with being naturally thin but, the double standard is that the fashion industry doesn’t criticize you for that and you will not have a hard time getting modeling jobs because of it. Even very thin women and celebrities are photoshoped beyond recognition, making it look like what actually would be an uheathy/anorexic body (if it were achieved through actual weight loss and not comuter manipulation) is normal. Therfore, many, many girls try to emulate this unachievable look through actual weight loss. For every naturally thin model out there there are many more who are anorexic or at least extremely weight consious for other than health reasons. I doubt promoting obesity is a problem that the fashion industry will every have but unfortuantely, promoting anorexia (whether directly or indirectly) is. Sad……

  330. finallyhappywithcurves says

    The theme of this article was great. I am currently working on losing a few pounds ( for health reasons) and I was searching on the web at pictures of plus size models to help me feel more confident while I am on my weight loss journey for the millionth time in my life. The difference between this journey and the rest is that I no longer think I am supposed to be 5’5 and 110 pounds. Instead, I am losing weight to be healthy and I will not feel pressure to be tiny because even at my skinniest I was 128 pounds.
    I just wanted to say that this article is great! I think everyone should stop making this into a skinny vs fat thing or trying to say this article promotes obesity or that this article makes skinny people look bad. It’s not about that at all. If you ever find yourself shoving your toothbrush down your throat after you eat because you want to be skinny, or you see your best friend pass out from starvation, or maybe you see someone treat themselves so horribly because of lack of confidence….then maybe you’ll understand a little bit more what this article is about. I know so many people who suffer from eating disorders and even after treatment the urge to purge is always there…It’s really quiet sad .
    So how about instead of arguing with each other…how about we take the time to say “your beautiful” or ask “do you need someone to talk to” . There’s so many problems in the world that can all be avoided with some tolerance and kindness.

    I never comment on any articles I read because there is always so much drama because someone’s comment offended someone elses….as my boyfriend who helped me with my body battles says ” hey, who cares let em say whatever or do whatever

  331. Elizabeth Gandy says

    Finally an article of Common Sense & Beauty!!!! I wasnt born to be stick thin and for years I hated that I had the gentitics of my grandma who had hips/ thighs and had 10 kids it was hard because I knew I would never be a size 0!!! Years ago after I had my son I weighed 218 after he was born and in my early 30s I went from 208-212 without any luck. Finally when I was 37 yrs old I got below 200 pounds and have kept the weight off for nine years now in my mid 40s with water, and moving more, and not eating fast food and a bunch of JUNK!!!! I love this article and your magazine it is a magazine of beauty!!!!! Kudos!!!!!

  332. bob the builder says

    Moochell Obama thinks that their is.

    She is bigoted against people with slower metabolisms than hers, and is against choice to what people can and can’t to with or to their own bodies.

  333. David Allen Young says

    I LOVE IT!!!!!!! It’s about timethat true beauty has an outlet. Long Live Plus Size Women!!!!

  334. Jamie says

    As a plus size wife, and mother of 3, this picture is amazing. I started to embrace and love my body after watching Big Sexy on TLC, I’m glade for all of these amazing avenues to celebrate plus size women of every size and shape.

  335. Jo says

    I wish I coud hug my legs like that :( I’d probably just fall over, I have a terrible sense of balance, lol.
    Maybe we need to start going into schools to teach about proper healthy weight/size and try and get more plus sized ladies on TV and billboards. I personally used to be skinny until I hit 13 , then my curves came in with a vengeance. I wasn’t bothered until I started getting bullied (I was a 12/14) then by age 17 I’d had enough and ended up starving myself until I was a size 8. I was very underweight and looked disgusting and had bones sticking out every where as I have a medium-build body frame. It took until I was 22 to start eating healthy again and I’m soo much happier as a plus sized gal – sized 16 :D I just need to tone up after having a baby as I got pretty lazy and need more energy to keep up with my daughter.

  336. taylor says

    I am a 17 year old that battles them bold hips that fight to be noticed and a chubby midsection. Due to all of the current perceptions of the “perfect girl” I hated myself for the longest time. I still do have the slef concious after math of being told by the media and it’s followers that I wasn’t good enough. But, I am told I have the face of a model. Bright green eyes with my dark hair, significant freckle on my nose that is like no other. i have a look to my face that no one has ever seen. And I’m trying to embrace it, And hopefully find someone in the modeling industry that sees my potential not some extra pounds. WE are the perfect women. WE have meat to use. WE can hold our own. AND WE give our men something to hold onto (; Stay strong, Stay bold, And stay beautiful. Much love.

  337. Jim says

    There is nothing wrong with plus sized bodies. I prefer a woman with a plus sized body. When I hold her in my arms I feel like there is actually something there. So stop obssessing about weight and size. Plus sized is an actual woman’s body.

  338. D says

    I am a thin woman, and while I have no issue with curvy women, they seem to have issues with me. And honestly, what is all of this about “real” and “true” beauty? So what, I can’t be beautiful, cuz Im skinny? Don’t bitch about people hating on your size when you’re doing the exact same thing to them. True beauty has nothing to do with you features, skin, size. IT’S INSIDE

  339. Jena says

    I do feel that we need to take a step back for a second and point out that being morbidly overweight can have just as many health risks as being morbidly underweight. There’s the possibility of too much of a “good thing” either way we go. Ladies, we need to remember that the goal is happiness and self-acceptance regardless of our outward appearance, but I think general health plays a big part in that as well. And we need to not forget that –at any size.

    Now that being said, we as a society really do need to accept and befriend our current selves. We need to demand better clothing options and more selections. Just because we’re bigger, doesn’t mean we deserve to look frumpy. Can I get an Amen?!

  340. Ileyia Anderson says

    Wow, I don’t know where to begin.
    Well, I guess I should start out with a bit of back info:
    My name is Ileyia (i-l-e-y-i-a, pronounced i-leah), and I am twenty years old. Ever since I was a little girl, I knew that I was different. First it was being too tall, then it became about my weight. All the hate that there is about being different, and about being made in another mold. It really upsets me.
    The things that I’ve heard about Kate Upton being called ‘too fat’ for being a model for Victoria’s Secret, and all about Skinny Gossip, it just shows how much work there is to do to make it known that it’s okay to be yourself, in your skin, toothpick thin or rollie pollie chunky.
    I, myself, have been struggling with my weight, like most people in this world, and I would never judge someone because of their weight.
    I am doing an essay for my college English class on how the fashion world needs to change, (still working on it) and make new choices that promotes health and well being for everyone and anyone who is a model, or the readers that take in everything that they do.
    Something needs to be done about Skinny Gossip, and fast. It’s giving girls and guys all over negative thoughts.
    I’ve thought about being a plus-sized model, but I don’t fit the criteria, makes me sad, but hey, I guess that’s how it works sometimes.

    Thanks for reading this!

    Sincerely,
    Ileyia Anderson

  341. Charlie P says

    “Twenty years ago the average fashion model weighted 8% less than the average woman. Today she weighs 23% less,”
    Size 12 women are definitely overweight, borderline obese. Twenty years ago on average women were not as fat as they are today. This whole magazine is a lame attempt to legitimize obesity. Fat women attract fat men, and no, being fat is not healthy. It is very simple: if you eat too much or don’t eat healthily you will get fat. It is simply a matter of self control. Fat people have none. Disgusting on so many levels.

  342. diane james says

    I am a plus curvy woman and there are just too many people with their negative thoughts about large women 1st let me state that god did not make us all to be a size ??? small whatever we are made in his image , 2ndly yes there may be health issues due to obesity but those with the negative thoughts never understand that those comments do hurt and cause more damage than helping someone…

  343. Jim says

    There is nothing wrong with plus sized bodies. I wish magazines such as Vogue and Harper’s Bazaar would feature these plus sized ladies instead of the immacitated one they have now. The plus size women look more normal.

  344. Jim says

    There is nothing wrong with the plus sized ladies. They look more normal than the immacitated one that are featured in fashion magazines. I just wish that these magazine would wake up and feature the plus sized models that more represent everyday women.

  345. Christina Otto says

    I have never purchased clothing like this before.I have found the man of my dreams and i want to wear these items for him.I love him so much.

  346. Christopher Reed says

    I think plus size women in general are the best looking women on the planet. Through all the trials and tribulations of the weight issue they still love themselves. I have a plus size wife and I love her with all my heart. I applaud the fact that she is working out, dropping the pounds and getting healthier everyday. People are so wrong for judging other people. Please be happy with yourself and if not change it.

  347. Natalya says

    I’m a 14 so i’m concerned as plus size? there is so many girls at my school who have thigh gaps and are skinner. What is the point of beginning thin? it just makes you look nasty how thin girls can get. So why is there any plus size models? I rather look up to plus size models then thin nasty , skinny, eating disorder models

  348. Hiding from the world says

    Im a girl is afraid of the world, I don’t want to be judge on my body. when I was going up, I was always the big tall girl. im afraid that when I get a boyfriend that no one would like me because I was fat. i’m a big girl but I don’t want to be judge for what’s on my outside. its hard to lose weight. I weight 205 and im a ninth grader [ yes I know im still growing] I just want to be skinny

  349. Joey Lena says

    Honey, love yourself for who you are…your body is not all of you, it’s just part of you. Love all of who you are for what you are as you are. We are all beautiful

  350. says

    As a plus size actress, educator and freelance journalist, I constantly feel the pressure of having to lose weight in order to be “successful” in an industry that heavily relies on appearance, however publications like yours continue to give me hope and inspiration. In order for us to teach our girls to love themselves we must lead by example. Thank you for giving girls and women everywhere a reason to be body positive.

  351. says

    Kiyonna Clothing is one of my favorite places to shop for sophisticated styles in size 12 to 5X. Their career clothing would be very appropriate in the corporate world. Dresses such as their Madison Avenue Dress for $132.00 would work in the office, at church, or at a cocktail party. They also offer premium denim jeans starting at $118.00. You wouldn’t want to paint your house in them, but they are made for painting the town! Kiyonna has a Bridal Boutique and you can get help from a wedding expert. Kiyonna also carries undies and body shapers, and fashion accessories. They accept the major credit cards and PayPal and ship internationally.

  352. michael fisher says

    “Thank God for Your ,Its very classy and show the haters your beauty.Keep the focus and let what your magazine is all about speak for itself!

  353. Jay says

    I was reading a copy of Cosmo (i think) back in high school and there was an interview with a model. The author/interviewer started the article with “I met up with such-and-such at a small cafe where she was delicately nibbling on a salad. She had only eaten an apple the previous day, it’s no wonder she looks so amazing!”. I was so shocked that i never forgot it. Sadly there is so much shallowness and body shaming. If you don’t look like a Photoshopped picture or the standard main character of a tv show, you just can’t escape some form of body shaming it seems. It even goes the other way, with skinny girls often suffering nasty comments as well.

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